Rotate/cross tires on G37?
11-02-2008, 11:00 AM
#16
You can rotate the tires side to side without issue (I have done it several times now).....
They do have a inside and outside marker but when rotating side to side the inside is still inside and the outside is still outside.....because you are in effect rotationg the tire 180 degrees (flopping it on it's front/back axis meaning you swap the direction of rotation but not the inside and outside....)
No true rotating but swapping sides is no issue...
They do have a inside and outside marker but when rotating side to side the inside is still inside and the outside is still outside.....because you are in effect rotationg the tire 180 degrees (flopping it on it's front/back axis meaning you swap the direction of rotation but not the inside and outside....)
No true rotating but swapping sides is no issue...
EDIT: I just saw your edit. Do you truly get any benefit from changing the directional wear pattern that makes the tires ride better or last any longer?
11-02-2008, 12:07 PM
#17
When you swap to the other side and keeping the inside on the insdide you are turning the tires around. So they are rolling in the opposide direction as before. This can tear up your tires, cause a rougher ride and can in some cases be a cause for premature tire failure.
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11-02-2008, 12:10 PM
#18
When you swap to the other side and keeping the inside on the insdide you are turning the tires around. So they are rolling in the opposide direction as before. This can tear up your tires, cause a rougher ride and can in some cases be a cause for premature tire failure.
11-02-2008, 12:21 PM
#19
Yeah- that's because you have worn them in going a certain direction. When you turn them around it can be hard on the tire. Some tires do better than others but a buddy of mine learned a long time ago the hard way not to turn tires in the other direction once you wear them in in one direction.
11-02-2008, 05:53 PM
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Every other tire I've ever dealt with that wasn't uni-directional was never a issue. Anything from the most basic of bargain tires, most aggressive mud tires or softest compound z-rated tires...Never a issue (I put about 70k-100k a year on my vehicles so I've gone through a many a tire over the years).....I regularly rotate my 2500HD, my wifes Fusion, my old F-150, my mom's Explorer, my dad's F-150 & Accord with no issue.....On my old Lightning with the stock Goodyears (weren't unidirectional) I swapped them in this same manner too with no issue. The first set I followed the vehicle guidelines (which were front to rear rotation only) and they lasted roughly 20k miles. The second set I also rotated left to right and added roughly 15k miles to their life. I then switched to Toyo Proxes (which had to only be rotated front to rear as they were uni-directional) and they were still on the truck when I sold it with 160k on the odo...
I guess I said all that to say I can't really say I've seen anything in my past vehicles that would 100% support or disprove my thoughts on the process...It's worked to this point though so I've see no need to change it on the Infiniti...
At this point my G37S I've got a little over 21k on the original tires without the first issue rotating side to side every other oil change. The tires are beginning to show minimal wear (probably easy get another 10-15k out of them)....Don't really know what the norm is for these tires but those numbers should at least give you a basis of reference...I have no noticeable extra road noise, wear, odd issues, etc. showing on the tires....This is my first true "toy" car that only really gets used on weekends/trips so it's about 50k short of my usual yearly average...For perspective of the amount of time I spend on the road, my gas bill usually runs in the 1500/month range...
11-02-2008, 07:33 PM
#23
Hey whatever works for you bro. I know that from past experiences from someone I know (and it could have just been the type of tire) tires rode rough, became very noisy (a low moan as soon as he rotated them) and the tread got shredded on what became the front edges of the tread pattern a bit. Those were not directional tires.
It was recommended by a "tire professional" that the tires shouldn't have been flipped around and that because of how these particular tires wore the tires were on the verge of premature failure. This was like 18 years ago though so maybe tires are less susceptible to that sort of thing now (?) Perhaps your rotating regularly counters the effect (?)
It was recommended by a "tire professional" that the tires shouldn't have been flipped around and that because of how these particular tires wore the tires were on the verge of premature failure. This was like 18 years ago though so maybe tires are less susceptible to that sort of thing now (?) Perhaps your rotating regularly counters the effect (?)
11-02-2008, 08:48 PM
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Oh no sweat...I was just throwing out my personal experience.....
If I've learned one thing over the years it's never say never but it is certainly unusual. Of course a lot's changed in 18 years so who knows...
If I've learned one thing over the years it's never say never but it is certainly unusual. Of course a lot's changed in 18 years so who knows...
11-03-2008, 03:31 AM
#25
They are not directional so if you swap sides you will most certainly NOT be running them backwards as some have mistakenly stated, but there is a marking on the sidewalls for "inside" and "outside" denoting the tires proper mounting orientation on the wheel. This means that you could simply swap sides with with wheels on an axle, but this would do no good as the inner part of the tire on one side would be the inner part on the other side too if you simply swap sides. If you dismount the tires and mount them properly on the opposite wheel, like some have suggested you get the exact same thing.
In short the answer is no, these OEM 19" Bridgestone ties cannot be rotated in any way whatsoever. [/thread]
In short the answer is no, these OEM 19" Bridgestone ties cannot be rotated in any way whatsoever. [/thread]
Hy betty you are right there is an in and out on the tire. ON a Michelin the barcode side is always suposed to be in. How ever (on a michelin) it is purly for looks. The barcode (refferance) side of the tire has a different set of tolerances for astetic defects. puting them on the other way will have no preformance affect on a non direstional tire. At least for Michelins.
10-08-2012, 01:12 PM
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Okay sorry for raising this thread from the dead, but I wanted to comment on what I've read so far. Unless I interpreted something incorrectly on this thread, it seems like the consensus is that there's no benefit from swapping the tires from side to side in any way. I'm not sure I agree with that. I have negative camber so my insides tend to wear quicker. If I dismount the tire from the rim and change them from side to side with the tread facing the same direction as it did before, then I would be changing the wear points so that the inside from the previous position would now be the outside of the current position (and visa versa). I was planning on doing that to my Ventus V12's some time this week since I'm pretty sure they don't have inside/outside markers (not sure if the RE050's are asymmetrical...then I can see where this thread was going).
I guess my real question is whether or not the benefit of doing this every X miles is worth it. I called several local shops and the cheapest I could find for them to dismount and side swap is $15 per wheel (not sure if that even included balancing). I got it done for $30 total at this one place in LA a few years ago but I don't recall him balancing anything. If this squeezes at least another 10K out of my tires then I guess it'd be worth it...?
I guess my real question is whether or not the benefit of doing this every X miles is worth it. I called several local shops and the cheapest I could find for them to dismount and side swap is $15 per wheel (not sure if that even included balancing). I got it done for $30 total at this one place in LA a few years ago but I don't recall him balancing anything. If this squeezes at least another 10K out of my tires then I guess it'd be worth it...?
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