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05-11-2006, 02:53 PM
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Jerome is my boy!! I grew up with him in Germantown. I was friends with him but one of my friends in high school was real good boys with him. When he was at Georgetown he'd always hook us up with tixs so i saw AI playing a lot at G'town. I've been watching Jerome play since his MC-Germantown days. He dominated.
05-11-2006, 03:00 PM
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^I heard you also grew up with a guy named Deese Nudtzinyo Mizouth...heard he was like a Nigerian Exchange student??^ Did he also dominate, and did you play w/ him, or did you just watch him play???
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Originally Posted by pdjafari
^I heard you also grew up with a guy named Deese Nudtzinyo Mizouth...heard he was like a Nigerian Exchange student??^ Did he also dominate, and did you play w/ him, or did you just watch him play???
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Originally Posted by Pratik
Just for the record I never said I hated Kobe cause he's a champion. I love seeing him lose because of his attitude. Whether it was his rape trial, the way he plays on the court. Just erad the article I posted. It is everything that I have to say on the subject. He's got all the talent in the world but he doesnt know how to handle it.... MJ did. Big difference.
05-15-2006, 12:03 PM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...t&lid=tab1pos2
Great Anti-Kobe article. Lots of good points but not all bashing.
Great Anti-Kobe article. Lots of good points but not all bashing.
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Agreed. If you know anything about basketball, the greatest players in the game NEVER take 3 shots in a half in a deciding game 7.
No one knows what was said in the locker room in the half. And Phil was obviously being political defending his best player saying that he told him to share the ball. But Jackson must have said something to Kobe and the team that must have really pissed Kobe off. This will probably stay in the locker room forever, but its nice to speculate about it.
No one knows what was said in the locker room in the half. And Phil was obviously being political defending his best player saying that he told him to share the ball. But Jackson must have said something to Kobe and the team that must have really pissed Kobe off. This will probably stay in the locker room forever, but its nice to speculate about it.
05-15-2006, 03:26 PM
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i read that article pratik, kobe deserve the criticism, it dosnt take anything away from what he accomplished though.
as for lolmauwow for someone that hates kobe so much, you sure are obsessed with him. theres good series going on now thats worth talking about like the clippers/suns, mavs/spurs series.
as for lolmauwow for someone that hates kobe so much, you sure are obsessed with him. theres good series going on now thats worth talking about like the clippers/suns, mavs/spurs series.
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You are partially right, I'm obsessed with devauling him (if thats a word) considering all the hype he gets. Is there any reason why he should be adored more than a player like Tim Duncan? Its ridiculous sometimes.
Oh yeah, here's a link to argueably the best performer in the playoffs according to unbiased statistics.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics
Where's Kobe? haahahahaahahahaha
Oh yeah, here's a link to argueably the best performer in the playoffs according to unbiased statistics.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics
Where's Kobe? haahahahaahahahaha
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so instead of praising worthy players like Duncan, who i agree with you by all means shoud get more attention. you rather hate on kobe? thats just bitter.
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05-15-2006, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by terryw
so instead of praising worthy players like Duncan, who i agree with you by all means shoud get more attention. you rather hate on kobe? thats just bitter.
Awesome article. But I do praise worthy players like Duncan by hating on Kobe.
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Tex Winter's take, not pro or anti kobe
by Roland Lazenby / May 13, 2006
If there’s anyone who should be able to figure out Kobe Bryant, international man of mystery, it ought to be Tex Winter, Bryant’s mentor and a longtime Los Angeles Lakers assistant coach and consultant.
Although the NBA playoffs have moved on, the basketball world remains atwitter in the wake of Bryant taking just three shots in the last half of the Lakers’ Game 7 blowout loss to the Phoenix Suns during their first-round series.
Bryant’s lack of aggressiveness at such a key moment has led to a variety of media figures offering their theories as to what he was doing:
- Some figures have said he was overreacting to heavy criticism from broadcast analyst Charles Barkley;
- Others have said he was pouting because Lakers coach Phil Jackson had admonished him to play team ball;
- Jackson and Bryant both have said that, because a typical Kobe scoring outburst would have proved fruitless, he and his coach were trying to force his young, inexperienced teammates to step up.
Winter himself admitted to being amazed at Bryant’s failure to force the issue in the second half of that game.
The 84-year-old coach had spent most of the first round delighted at Bryant’s leadership of a green Lakers roster that struggled mightily with inconsistency.
“I don’t know what happened to Kobe, taking just three shots in that situation,” Winter said in a phone interview from his Oregon home. “There were times when he had the ball, he didn’t look to do anything, didn’t look to assert himself. He didn’t look to create anything for himself. He did a lot of what we asked him to do for the series, and that was move the ball. Kobe’s the kind of player to always leave people puzzled about his shot selection.”
Winter, who had spent the playoffs working with the Lakers, wasn’t able to join them for Game 7 in Phoenix because of his wife’s illness.
It might have been that Bryant, as some have charged, was pouting because Jackson admonished him during halftime to “play team ball.” But Winter doesn’t think that was the case.
In fact, Winter said, Bryant’s lack of shooting had almost no impact on the outcome.
“Strangely enough,” Winter said, “our offense functioned pretty well in the second half. That wasn’t the problem. It was our defense. We couldn’t stop anybody.”
Winter had spent much of the postseason encouraging Jackson to play veterans Jim Jackson and Aaron McKie because of their playoff experience, defensive abilities and their sense of how to run an offense.
The Lakers’ head coach, though, staked the outcome on the use of younger guards Smush Parker and Sasha Vujacic, with mixed results.
Winter ultimately was disheartened by the young Lakers’ inconsistency. “They were too fragile,” he said.
The Lakers had taken a three games to one lead in the series, but the key moment came at the end of Game 6, when the Lakers had a three-point lead but gave up three offensive rebounds that eventually led to a tying trey from the Suns’ Tim Thomas.
“We lost a game we should have won,” Winter said. “You can’t give up three offensive rebounds in that situation.”
The veteran coach reserved the brunt of his criticism for Lakers 24-year-old center Kwame Brown.
“Brown, he’s not a competitor,” Winter said, pointing out that Brown played with bursts of energy mixed with strange bouts of apathy. “He just doesn’t know how to compete.”
Asked if he thought Brown could improve in the intangibles, Winter said, “I don’t know. You can’t change spots on a leopard. I don’t know how interested he is in playing.”
Sexual assault allegations against Brown may have played a part in his loss of focus for stretches at the series’ biggest moments, but Winter said the center seemed to lack enthusiasm in getting the ball.
“Kwame missed four or five easy shots early in Game 7,” Winter said. “He didn’t even try sometimes to go after key rebounds that we needed.”
Winter also leveled criticism at another key figure, another one of his favorite players.
“Odom, he wasn’t a whole lot better,” Winter said. “He’s a great talent, but I’m not sure how comfortable he is in a system. He’s more of an instinctive player.”
Having developed and pioneered the triangle offense, Winter is a proponent of system basketball.
Odom, a big man with ballhandling gifts, has been more comfortable playing for coaches who allow him to be guided by his substantial instincts. Odom has struggled with the triangle, then seemed to get a stronger sense of the offense at the end of the season.
“When it comes time to run our offense and make the right kind of cuts, he just doesn’t do them,” Winter complained.
The veteran coach had worked often with Odom this season, trying to get him to vary his cuts, but was frustrated with the results.
“When Odom makes a basket cut, he makes it the same way every time, which makes it easy for the defender,” Winter said. “I tried and tried, but I just couldn’t get him to change directions, or to change the pace, with his cuts. I tried to get him to set his man up, so that he could get deeper into the post to set up. But he used the same cut all the time, which meant that he would end up setting up in a mid-post. That made it easier to defend him. I never could get him to change it.”
Despite his complaints, Winter called Odom a “marvelous talent” and said he hoped the Lakers kept him, because another season in the triangle would bring much development.
As for the international man of mystery, Winter said he will talk to Bryant and find out what was going on in that last half of the season’s final game.
It was curious, he said, but Bryant’s conservatism with the Lakers’ offense wasn’t the reason the team lost.
Roland Lazenby is the author of The Show: The Inside Story Of The Spectacular Los Angeles Lakers In The Words Of Those Who Lived It, recently released by McGraw-Hill
Tex Winter's take, not pro or anti kobe
by Roland Lazenby / May 13, 2006
If there’s anyone who should be able to figure out Kobe Bryant, international man of mystery, it ought to be Tex Winter, Bryant’s mentor and a longtime Los Angeles Lakers assistant coach and consultant.
Although the NBA playoffs have moved on, the basketball world remains atwitter in the wake of Bryant taking just three shots in the last half of the Lakers’ Game 7 blowout loss to the Phoenix Suns during their first-round series.
Bryant’s lack of aggressiveness at such a key moment has led to a variety of media figures offering their theories as to what he was doing:
- Some figures have said he was overreacting to heavy criticism from broadcast analyst Charles Barkley;
- Others have said he was pouting because Lakers coach Phil Jackson had admonished him to play team ball;
- Jackson and Bryant both have said that, because a typical Kobe scoring outburst would have proved fruitless, he and his coach were trying to force his young, inexperienced teammates to step up.
Winter himself admitted to being amazed at Bryant’s failure to force the issue in the second half of that game.
The 84-year-old coach had spent most of the first round delighted at Bryant’s leadership of a green Lakers roster that struggled mightily with inconsistency.
“I don’t know what happened to Kobe, taking just three shots in that situation,” Winter said in a phone interview from his Oregon home. “There were times when he had the ball, he didn’t look to do anything, didn’t look to assert himself. He didn’t look to create anything for himself. He did a lot of what we asked him to do for the series, and that was move the ball. Kobe’s the kind of player to always leave people puzzled about his shot selection.”
Winter, who had spent the playoffs working with the Lakers, wasn’t able to join them for Game 7 in Phoenix because of his wife’s illness.
It might have been that Bryant, as some have charged, was pouting because Jackson admonished him during halftime to “play team ball.” But Winter doesn’t think that was the case.
In fact, Winter said, Bryant’s lack of shooting had almost no impact on the outcome.
“Strangely enough,” Winter said, “our offense functioned pretty well in the second half. That wasn’t the problem. It was our defense. We couldn’t stop anybody.”
Winter had spent much of the postseason encouraging Jackson to play veterans Jim Jackson and Aaron McKie because of their playoff experience, defensive abilities and their sense of how to run an offense.
The Lakers’ head coach, though, staked the outcome on the use of younger guards Smush Parker and Sasha Vujacic, with mixed results.
Winter ultimately was disheartened by the young Lakers’ inconsistency. “They were too fragile,” he said.
The Lakers had taken a three games to one lead in the series, but the key moment came at the end of Game 6, when the Lakers had a three-point lead but gave up three offensive rebounds that eventually led to a tying trey from the Suns’ Tim Thomas.
“We lost a game we should have won,” Winter said. “You can’t give up three offensive rebounds in that situation.”
The veteran coach reserved the brunt of his criticism for Lakers 24-year-old center Kwame Brown.
“Brown, he’s not a competitor,” Winter said, pointing out that Brown played with bursts of energy mixed with strange bouts of apathy. “He just doesn’t know how to compete.”
Asked if he thought Brown could improve in the intangibles, Winter said, “I don’t know. You can’t change spots on a leopard. I don’t know how interested he is in playing.”
Sexual assault allegations against Brown may have played a part in his loss of focus for stretches at the series’ biggest moments, but Winter said the center seemed to lack enthusiasm in getting the ball.
“Kwame missed four or five easy shots early in Game 7,” Winter said. “He didn’t even try sometimes to go after key rebounds that we needed.”
Winter also leveled criticism at another key figure, another one of his favorite players.
“Odom, he wasn’t a whole lot better,” Winter said. “He’s a great talent, but I’m not sure how comfortable he is in a system. He’s more of an instinctive player.”
Having developed and pioneered the triangle offense, Winter is a proponent of system basketball.
Odom, a big man with ballhandling gifts, has been more comfortable playing for coaches who allow him to be guided by his substantial instincts. Odom has struggled with the triangle, then seemed to get a stronger sense of the offense at the end of the season.
“When it comes time to run our offense and make the right kind of cuts, he just doesn’t do them,” Winter complained.
The veteran coach had worked often with Odom this season, trying to get him to vary his cuts, but was frustrated with the results.
“When Odom makes a basket cut, he makes it the same way every time, which makes it easy for the defender,” Winter said. “I tried and tried, but I just couldn’t get him to change directions, or to change the pace, with his cuts. I tried to get him to set his man up, so that he could get deeper into the post to set up. But he used the same cut all the time, which meant that he would end up setting up in a mid-post. That made it easier to defend him. I never could get him to change it.”
Despite his complaints, Winter called Odom a “marvelous talent” and said he hoped the Lakers kept him, because another season in the triangle would bring much development.
As for the international man of mystery, Winter said he will talk to Bryant and find out what was going on in that last half of the season’s final game.
It was curious, he said, but Bryant’s conservatism with the Lakers’ offense wasn’t the reason the team lost.
Roland Lazenby is the author of The Show: The Inside Story Of The Spectacular Los Angeles Lakers In The Words Of Those Who Lived It, recently released by McGraw-Hill
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