look puria we all know you have a really small nut since you are all about talking about nuts and what not trying to compensate for your own shortcoming. talkin about nuts and ***** all day is not going to make your nuts bigger puria.

 

^you sure, i coulda sworn they were swollen right after i posted???

 

I dont think nissan is trying to compete vs the M3, they are targeted at different people, and 2 different performance classes. Nissan is only shipping less than 1000 GT-Rs a year if i remember correctly. As a consumers i dont think many of us gives a rats a$$ how many GT-R is sold compared to M3s. GT-R's performance is not in the same class as M3, their target is the Porche 911 twin turbo, so there will be people that buys it. If chevey can sell the Z06 at 65k i dont see why GT-R at 60k is too much for a Nissan with similar performance. I personally dont think the MSRP will be > 60k considering the technologies youre getting.

 

you state its not competing against the M3 but I think it compares against every/any 2 door car that exceeds 55k. Dont look at the current e46 M3...wait until the 07-08 M3 comes out. the turbo BMW (335??) which you posted in another thread...is almost as quick as the current M3. the next gen M3 will be much faster based on the details now. Chevy has been selling the corvette for over 50 years now and every human knows the corvette name. skyline is something for generation X, most ppl who ride in corvettes are in their 30s+. the skyline is for the newer generation 2f2f, ps2, gran turismo crowd. These are all the kids who own STI's, EvO's etc etc around 30-35k.

If the GTR is limited quantity i think it's best b/c i dont see it selling well as a normal car like say an altima or a maxima. but limited quantity i can see it selling like an NSX.. Again ppl will pay 60k for a porsche...the name says it all. but nissan?? i think it'll do well but only if its NOT mass produced.

 

the new M3 has a 4.0L DOHC V8 based on the 5.0L V10 in the M5/6 making 415hp. Its not going to be in the same class performance wise... and there are people that dosnt get caught up in the little blue/white propeller badge. All cars over 55k will compete vs each other in some way, but GT-R is meant to be a niche market car targeted at performance enthusiasts... I dont think people care how well it sells, unless they are a fanboy of some brand. Only nissan should really be concerned with what it compete with and how many it sells. For all intensive purposes it will the next twin turbo supra and be a very talked about car no matter how many it sells.

 

I personally would get one, (if i have the money) over a M3. Just because I like the performance and bang for the buck factor. Its a heck of a deal for 911 twin turbo performance at 1/2 the price. Im not too big on brand image. I fully respect those who rather get the luxury M3 for the brand image and luxury.

 

Fist off, niche market cars can hurt a product line. If you aren't sharing parts with other cheaper vechicles your doomed. Heck look at the Supra, after it full diverged from the Celica it was too expensive and they couldnt keep the sales up.
Granted the market is a little different now when it comes to sporty imports, but in the end the numbers will talk. I see the GT-R (similar to the last Supra) being head to head with the Z06. It will subsequently get put up against many other cars that cost 2-3x as much, just like the Z06 is now.

I think also think it will definitly be possible to get one for MSRP within 6months (second or third shipment).

If Toyota bails out on the Supra I see one of these in my driveway come 2010.

 

I agree with everything you said here puria lol.But yeah the old nsx used to go for like 70g's now like close to 90.who will pay that for a measly 300 hp.

 

amen to that man... but who knows what else will be out then. The way car companies are surprising us now, who knows.

I am hoping on one in 2008 (2009 model) now that I hear this price, and also hearing that the supra may not be(which I still speculate on with you). By 2010 I will have big headed blasian babies running around and no space to throw them in. Speaking of which, hows the trunk space in the GTR??

 

^if there's going to be limited supply of GT-R's that hit the states that would be great...mostly cause im tired of seeing the G every Where i go driven around by 60 yrs olds ....

 

you guys are way too caught up in the speculation and living the magazine tuning life...that's why we all drive stock-a$$ G's!!! ahahaha

that being said, I agree with Puria on how the GT-R might be the next nsx..you simply can't over price a nissan, no matter how much HP it puts out. That's why you don't see the SRT-4 being expensive, because it's still a neon!! and audi and bmw making less or the same HP cost twice as much..the badge that goes on the car has a lot to do with the pricing it can seek. Short term it might be ok, but once everybody's boner goes away, boom..gt-r discontinued due to lack of sales.. i'm sure nissan is very smart about it and all..lets hope


~Khoa

 

I disagree. I dont think asking 60k is too much for a nissan. Now, if it were 90-100k, I would see a problem. I think every last GTR that is sent here will be off the sales floors before the dealer has to worry about the taxes on it.

 

my thoughts exactly. people seem to forget what happend to the 300zx TT, the old supra, rx7 and 3000gt VR4. But I dont expect the young bucks to remember these cars. They all sold around 40-50k and ALL were discontinued due to lack of sales.

Ferrari makes its money from selling lets just say (100 cars per year) for 150k+. Same goes for lambo. Porsche and corvette have brand image (marketing 101...)...no matter what anybody says. you go somewhere and say i got a porsche that automatically=your rich and have good taste. its about class...just like people associate brand name clothes=high class=money, the same goes for cars. lets be honest we all have G's...and when ppl ask we say 'infiniti'. thats decent, but even if we all had a MB c240 just think pplz reactions. even though i dont like the c class, ppl just seem to nut on the fact you have an MB.

its a fact that MB/BMW/Jaguar/low model porsches are associated w/ the upper class families and incomes. ferrari/lambo w/ the elite... The upper class are all about image...which is why they'd never buy a nissan. they would rather buy a slower porsche boxster just to say they have a porsche.

i agree everyone has a boner for the gtr...but we shall see who pays 60k for the car, and how once thats the price set how long it'll last. the problem is that you terry are thinking like an enthusiast. you see all aspects of cars. the general population dont care as much about the cars as you or I. all they see is Porsche 911...they dont care that its a TT, or that it has AWD or anything..you get me??

you guys have this mentality that the average JOE thinks like an enthusiast and knows what MPG stands for and actually cares about the displacement on a car he wants to purchase. I guarantee you more than half the guys who drive porsches dont even know whats under the hood...

In summary Im not saying the car wont sell...im just saying it wont sell well for that price....but there are always ppl who fork out money for a car that IMHO isnt worth it. dealing w/ a nissan dealership for anything > 35k is something i really REAALLY dont know if i can handle regardless of what car i own. Its more than just the 2f2f image that goes along w/ the car....


BTW this is the EXACT reason nissan never brought over the R32/33/34 skyline to begin with...

 

I am thinking like an enthusiast, but im also realistic. I never argued that the GT-R will sell in mass quantities lol, im pretty sure its going to be a niche car that other performance enthusiasts like my self are interested in. Nissan also dosnt expect to sell that car to the masses. its not going to out sell M3s or Porches or whatever. My point is that from my point of view as a consumer, all it matters is that im interested in it, im happy that its here. if it dosnt make it, then it dosnt make it. Im not really concerned with how well it sells, or how it compete vs Car A or Car B in terms of sells.

 

60K is a good price