what are the warranty implications of this mod? I called a local exhaust shop - they told me they cannot legally remove the old cats unless there is something wrong with them, which was mentioned in another thread on the forum. What's gonna happen if you have some engine problem is infiniti going to bail on the warranty I wonder?

 

your warranty is only affected if it is proven to cause a problem...

 

agreed - the Magnuson Moss Act. I am not all that concerned about the warranty but getting the HFCs installed is another matter. Seems like, since the HFCs are emissions approved, this would not be an issue, but the exhaust guys said they are subject to $10K fine for doing this (as if they are gonna get caught, especially where I live). I think I am gonna end up swapping them out myself.

 

i'm having mine done at an infiniti dealership this saturday... are they really going to be fined 10 k for changing the cats? i don't think they'll run that risk, especially if they are a dealership, especially since these cats are still legal based on emissions...i think?

 

From the Berk Technology website: "OBDII & 49 state compliant... As of January 1st, 2009, performance high flow cats are intended for off-road use only in the state of California." The way I read that is that unless you live in CA they are legal. I'll call my dealer then and see what they say since you are having yours done at a dealer. How much they hitting you for?

 

they said around $200. and yes they were outlawed in california as of jan 1. but still legal everywhere else

 

It cost me 200 bucks to install mine at the dealership as well. 2 hours and i got a loaner!

 

It's a federal law that makes it illegal to remove your cats when it's still good.

Catalytic Converter Laws

Rules for Replacing Converters
In 1986, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issued new guidelines for the construction, efficiency and installation of aftermarket catalytic converters. All CleanAir converters listed in this catalog have been designed, tested and manufactured to meet this policy.

In addition, CleanAir converter listed in this catalog is appropriate for use under the current requirements of the California Air Resources Board (C.A.R.B.).
E.P.A. guidelines state that replacement converters may be installed only in the following situations:

1. The vehicle is missing a converter
2. A state or local inspection program has determined that the existing converter needs replacement
3. Vehicles manufactured prior to 1996 must have more than 50,000 miles, and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented
4. In cases of OBD Il-equipped vehicles (1996 and later), the O.E. manufacturer's 8-year/80,000-mile warranty must have expired and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented.
Please note that Federal law prohibits removal or replacement of a properly functioning O.E. converter.

When replacement of the converter is appropriate (as outlined above), the E.P.A. further requires that:

1. It be installed in the same location as the original
2. It be the same type as the original (i.e., two-way, three-way, three-way plus air/three-way plus oxidation)
3. It be the proper model for the vehicle application as determined and specified by the manufacturer
4. It be properly connected to any existing air injection components on the vehicle
5. It be installed with any other required converter for a particular application
6. It be accompanied by a warranty information card to be completed by the installer.
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so go take your cats off and say someone stole them lol

 

wow wonder why infiniti dealers are doing it then?

 

Hey Shumby, you are driving the 09 7AT then? Did you ever drive the 5AT? Wondering how it compares. I have the 5AT and have not been all that impressed with the tranny. I am considering trading mine in for an 09 6MT, but would probably lose big $$$.

 

ya I owened a 5at for a year befor I smashed it. the &at feels faster off the line and the cruzing RPM's are way better on the hi-way. Deffinatly noticed a differance in the tranny.

 

Stoof who did you get them off? And ide advise you to bring it too a shop, or atleast have someone who knows what their doing like kirk or someone to help you out..

I've heard the installation is tuff, it can turn out pretty darn bad.

 

Called my dealer today and to my surprise they said they would do it, and provide the loaner. My service guy mentioned the fact that they sometimes run into the seized O2 sensor. He quoted me $200 - $250, depending on how much wrestling they have with the O2 sensors. I like doing my own work, but I"m gonna take a pass on this one.

 

damn don't pass! do it!