Which Will Be A Better Hfc/performance Wise - Stillen, Berk Or Fi
06-27-2008, 08:05 PM
#31
Berk Berk Berk... cheaper... so unless you hate money... 
I had mine installed for i think 80 bucks i think...
But for arguements sake... Berk and FI are 99% the same... neither will have different horsepower numbers...Both are TOP QUALITY...
I had mine installed for i think 80 bucks i think...
But for arguements sake... Berk and FI are 99% the same... neither will have different horsepower numbers...Both are TOP QUALITY...
Last edited by MaxToTheG37; 06-27-2008 at 09:14 PM. Reason: spelling
06-27-2008, 09:06 PM
#32
Hey guys,
Check out the article that Import Tuner wrote up on our exhaust combination...
http://blog.stillen.com/category/media/
13 HP off the high flow cats ALONE!!!
Check out the article that Import Tuner wrote up on our exhaust combination...
http://blog.stillen.com/category/media/
13 HP off the high flow cats ALONE!!!
So why should anyone believe what anyone from your company tells them. Especially from a magazine. Lets see some independent dyno's shall we.
But what I can show you is quality, look for yourself and you will see the differences in the Stillen cats VS. Fast Intentions.
I know some of you will look at this reply from me and think I am bashing Stillen. First off, let me say I am not I am only stating what events that actually took place. In addition these pictures were taken by a customer and given to me. The product speaks for itself and if you want to pay for the name and in my opinion receive lesser customer service and this kind of mass produced quality then go for it.
As for the Berk's, yes some of you are correct. They use the same catalytic converter as us and the design is almost the same. So with that said the numbers will be very comparable.
Again, let me apologize to all of you the consumers ahead of time. Please dont let any of what I have written offend you. It is not directed at any of you. Yes, we as a company feel that Stillen took our magazine coverage out from right under us. They bullied the magazine in to covering there product and in my book that isn't cool. So please take it as you will...
Tony
Last edited by FastIntentions; 06-27-2008 at 09:28 PM.
06-27-2008, 10:14 PM
#34
Registered User
I would only believe that if I saw it with my own eyes and you snaked the article away from us. A very reliable source from Import Tuner told me that SOMEONE from your company complained that you weren't getting the coverage that you felt you deserved. They also said that your representative threatened to pull your sponsorship from Import Tuner if they didn't do the article on your product.
So why should anyone believe what anyone from your company tells them. Especially from a magazine. Lets see some independent dyno's shall we.
But what I can show you is quality, look for yourself and you will see the differences in the Stillen cats VS. Fast Intentions.
I know some of you will look at this reply from me and think I am bashing Stillen. First off, let me say I am not I am only stating what events that actually took place. In addition these pictures were taken by a customer and given to me. The product speaks for itself and if you want to pay for the name and in my opinion receive lesser customer service and this kind of mass produced quality then go for it.
As for the Berk's, yes some of you are correct. They use the same catalytic converter as us and the design is almost the same. So with that said the numbers will be very comparable.
Again, let me apologize to all of you the consumers ahead of time. Please dont let any of what I have written offend you. It is not directed at any of you. Yes, we as a company feel that Stillen took our magazine coverage out from right under us. They bullied the magazine in to covering there product and in my book that isn't cool. So please take it as you will...
Tony
So why should anyone believe what anyone from your company tells them. Especially from a magazine. Lets see some independent dyno's shall we.
But what I can show you is quality, look for yourself and you will see the differences in the Stillen cats VS. Fast Intentions.
I know some of you will look at this reply from me and think I am bashing Stillen. First off, let me say I am not I am only stating what events that actually took place. In addition these pictures were taken by a customer and given to me. The product speaks for itself and if you want to pay for the name and in my opinion receive lesser customer service and this kind of mass produced quality then go for it.
As for the Berk's, yes some of you are correct. They use the same catalytic converter as us and the design is almost the same. So with that said the numbers will be very comparable.
Again, let me apologize to all of you the consumers ahead of time. Please dont let any of what I have written offend you. It is not directed at any of you. Yes, we as a company feel that Stillen took our magazine coverage out from right under us. They bullied the magazine in to covering there product and in my book that isn't cool. So please take it as you will...
Tony
06-27-2008, 11:36 PM
#36
Well I would get the Stillen or Berk technology ones.. All of them seem to be good quality but I have companies that I prefer to deal with.. Bump for Stillen and Berk Technology... The Berk Technology test pipes have that bracket welded to them for bracing.. That bolts to the tranny.. Fast intentions doesn't have them...
06-27-2008, 11:39 PM
#37
Tony,
Since you posted up the side by side comparison, it raised some questions for me.
Why is there an extra O2 bung there near the flange that is plugged? Is that flange just held on by one tack weld rather than a solid bead all the way around the piping?
Since you posted up the side by side comparison, it raised some questions for me.
Why is there an extra O2 bung there near the flange that is plugged? Is that flange just held on by one tack weld rather than a solid bead all the way around the piping?
06-27-2008, 11:42 PM
#38
Registered User
Well I would get the Stillen or Berk technology ones.. All of them seem to be good quality but I have companies that I prefer to deal with.. Bump for Stillen and Berk Technology... The Berk Technology test pipes have that bracket welded to them for bracing.. That bolts to the tranny.. Fast intentions doesn't have them...
06-28-2008, 12:12 AM
#39
Oh let's not start this whole tranny brace topic again. That is an issue that should of been put to bed months ago. As far as our welds, it is completely welded on the inside. The STITCH weld on the outside is for added strength. It is noticeable in the second picture from the left. The picture of the flange on the left is ours.
For the extra bung that is capped. That is for an extra wideband O2 sensor or for tuning on the dyno. Some companies put the bung after the cats however, optimal readings for air fuel from the dyno should be taken as close to the engine as possible. This way you will get a more accurate reading on air fuel.
For the extra bung that is capped. That is for an extra wideband O2 sensor or for tuning on the dyno. Some companies put the bung after the cats however, optimal readings for air fuel from the dyno should be taken as close to the engine as possible. This way you will get a more accurate reading on air fuel.
Last edited by FastIntentions; 06-28-2008 at 12:53 AM.
06-28-2008, 12:53 AM
#41
Oh let's not start this whole tranny brace topic again. That is an issue that should of been put to bed months ago. As far as our welds, it is completely welded on the inside. The STITCH weld on the outside is for added stregnth. It is noticable in one of the other pictures.
06-28-2008, 01:00 AM
#42
Well I would get the Stillen or Berk technology ones.. All of them seem to be good quality but I have companies that I prefer to deal with.. Bump for Stillen and Berk Technology... The Berk Technology test pipes have that bracket welded to them for bracing.. That bolts to the tranny.. Fast intentions doesn't have them...
If you feel that you need to buy a product from one of these other companies that uses brackets, I fully understand. It is purely preference and as long as you feel that they are taking care of you that is all that should matter...
Tony
06-28-2008, 01:02 AM
#43
http://www.fastintentions.com/exhaus...ti_default.htm
06-28-2008, 01:08 AM
#44
Well Tony you seem like your really knowledable on this topic about exhaust components... Now that you have explained that bracket issue to me.. It doesn't concern me as much anymore... Also thanks for taking the time to fully explain that issue and clarify any issues concerning it... Have you had any luck with eliminating the check engine light do to the test pipes????
06-28-2008, 01:12 AM
#45
Well Tony you seem like your really knowledable on this topic about exhaust components... Now that you have explained that bracket issue to me.. It doesn't concern me as much anymore... Also thanks for taking the time to fully explain that issue and clarify any issues concerning it... Have you had any luck with eliminating the check engine light do to the test pipes????