Fuel Question
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Fuel Question
The owners manual states that gas with maximum of 5% ethanol is ok. I'm having trouble finding local stations carrying gas with less than 10%. Will it actually hurt the fuel system?
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Hmm....never noticed that. I use Chevron almost exclusively, and all their pumps have stickers saying that it may contain up to 10% ethanol. Might have to look into that.
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First, your gas mileage may be 10% lower than using gas with no ethanol. Second, we are effectively paying 10% more because of the lower mpg.
If you check into the scientific basis of using ethanol as fuel, you will know that it is a complete farce. By some estimate, it costs about the same amount of fuel to make the ethanol as what using ethanol can save.
If you keep meticulous mpg records, you can actually see the drop in mpg when they switched to the 10% ethanol. Now, if only we could use water instead of ethanol, it would make just as much (non)sense. Ethanol contributes zip!
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Sorry....always wanted to use that one
On a serious note....I'm pretty sure ethanol is less efficient by volume then gas is (less mpg). Is that the case, or is Black Betty correct? Not that it matters, I haven't seen a station that doesn't use an ethanol blend in a while.
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Sorry....always wanted to use that one
On a serious note....I'm pretty sure ethanol is less efficient by volume then gas is (less mpg). Is that the case, or is Black Betty correct? Not that it matters, I haven't seen a station that doesn't use an ethanol blend in a while.
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Unfortunately, it is a bad deal.
First, your gas mileage may be 10% lower than using gas with no ethanol. Second, we are effectively paying 10% more because of the lower mpg.
If you check into the scientific basis of using ethanol as fuel, you will know that it is a complete farce. By some estimate, it costs about the same amount of fuel to make the ethanol as what using ethanol can save.
If you keep meticulous mpg records, you can actually see the drop in mpg when they switched to the 10% ethanol. Now, if only we could use water instead of ethanol, it would make just as much (non)sense. Ethanol contributes zip!
First, your gas mileage may be 10% lower than using gas with no ethanol. Second, we are effectively paying 10% more because of the lower mpg.
If you check into the scientific basis of using ethanol as fuel, you will know that it is a complete farce. By some estimate, it costs about the same amount of fuel to make the ethanol as what using ethanol can save.
If you keep meticulous mpg records, you can actually see the drop in mpg when they switched to the 10% ethanol. Now, if only we could use water instead of ethanol, it would make just as much (non)sense. Ethanol contributes zip!
The real reason for ethanol promotion in this country is that ethanol in your car comes from ethanol grown and refined and produced in THIS COUNTRY
So for every mile driven with ethanol in your tank you put money into the pockets of american companies, instead of shipping those few cents outside of the states, strengthening our economy (we need it) and weakening our dependancy on foreign energy sources without an additional carbon footprint which poisons us in the long run
Not to mention that if we can drive global demand for ethanol up by increasing the fuel economy of cars or the technology in general than we are effectively creating a market for american export to the world, which would be progress towards equalizing the trade deficit and becoming the next "oil country"
Not only would we be the leaders of the technology and the initial provider for the product the US has the richest land (read infrastructure) to produce the ethanol, ever hear of the American Bread Basket from the turn of last century.
Long road end to farm subsidies and additional taxation on ethanol exports could set this country up for a position of economic stability if this ethanol is really supported
Think about that next time you dismiss a technology because it might hurt your pocket book in the short run
Yes its not good that the hype is misleading us into thinking one thing when the motivation is completey different, but hey we pander to the lowest common denominator in this country dont we
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Back to the OP question. Every car sold in the US since the late 70's has to be compatible with 10% ethanol.
Your reading skills are lacking. It says up to 5% Methanol in the owners manual. You won't find gas with any amount of Methanol in it. It says up to 10% oxygenate (of which ethanol is one) is OK. Up to 15% MTBE was OK too (but that is banned in the US now, thanks to the ethanol lobby).
Your reading skills are lacking. It says up to 5% Methanol in the owners manual. You won't find gas with any amount of Methanol in it. It says up to 10% oxygenate (of which ethanol is one) is OK. Up to 15% MTBE was OK too (but that is banned in the US now, thanks to the ethanol lobby).
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glorbal warming is a load of bs...i see no reason for us to invest money into something that we cannot control, if the weather wants to change, how can we stop that?
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Global waring is a load of BS? wow dude. so then how do you explain the climate changes all over the world? seriously man, you guys in LA are just nuts.
If we can put money in our pockets then lets put more ethanol in the fuels.
If we can put money in our pockets then lets put more ethanol in the fuels.