What vehicle will be a worthy replacement for your sedan when it is time?
#5116
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My wife didn't actually like the way the HRV drove, much preferred the Nissans. The kicks is "quick", won't win any awards or races but at just over 2600 pounds its very peppy feeling. My wife has been driving a 2008 Yaris for the last 11 years and the Kicks feels like a very natural progression. The Qashqai despite being a bit larger felt smaller inside which I think is mainly from the shorter windows in the Qashqai. We're going to drive a ~2016 RAV-4 because she wants to try a Toyota as well. I think it'll be between the Kicks and the RAV-4 for her next vehicle. Supposedly the CVT issues are less bad, but still notable. If we get the Kicks I'd be very on top of regular fluid changes with the CVT.
#5117
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RAV-4 will likely be the priciest of the group, but of course this is because people hand their 10–15-year-old Toyotas down to their children based on Toyota's impeccable reputation for reliability. How has the Yaris held up? Any teenagers you can turn it over to? I'm guessing it may be worth close to what you paid for it back in 2014-15.
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socketz67 (09-06-2023)
#5118
Yeah, European emissions/fuel economy regulations were to blame. There were competing rumors that it would carry on in the NA market, but looks like it was cut altogether.
Bummer for sure, but I can see why. VW only sold 8423 GTIs and Rs last year. Even if 1/2 of those were manuals, there just isn't a business case to continue the manual. If my google foo is correct, those numbers are pathetic compared to past years
2018 --42K
2019 --37K (last year of the MK7 R)
2020 --26K
2021 --9K
Guess the sales falling off a cliff can be contributed to a combination of killing the base Golf, a redesigned interior with a terrible UI (especially compared to the prior generation), price creep, compounded by dealerships tacking on ridiculous markups and/or loading up high margin dealer installed accessories and extras, higher financing rates, improved competition (CTR, Elantra NR, GR, etc), and people just keeping cars longer. All of which, like you said, adds up to a bummer. Guess the manual R and GTI joins the STI and others in the graveyard of enthusiast cars killed off by a declining demand
Bummer for sure, but I can see why. VW only sold 8423 GTIs and Rs last year. Even if 1/2 of those were manuals, there just isn't a business case to continue the manual. If my google foo is correct, those numbers are pathetic compared to past years
2018 --42K
2019 --37K (last year of the MK7 R)
2020 --26K
2021 --9K
Guess the sales falling off a cliff can be contributed to a combination of killing the base Golf, a redesigned interior with a terrible UI (especially compared to the prior generation), price creep, compounded by dealerships tacking on ridiculous markups and/or loading up high margin dealer installed accessories and extras, higher financing rates, improved competition (CTR, Elantra NR, GR, etc), and people just keeping cars longer. All of which, like you said, adds up to a bummer. Guess the manual R and GTI joins the STI and others in the graveyard of enthusiast cars killed off by a declining demand
Speaking of GTI's what does everyone think about this new electric version due in a few years that is actually smaller? I am all for the way small cars handle and I have to admit I am having a lot more fun driving this Leaf around town than I ever thought I would. I also like the hidden rear door handles to make it look like a coupe. And of course, I am a sucker for the bright red. I met with a surgeon for my back injury the same day this car was released and the surgeon thinks the pain I was feeling driving a stick shift will actually work as a type of "nerve floss" to help me heal better. Great news! So ironically I find out about the new GTI EV A/T on the same day. The good news is they think I don't need surgery yet. The bad news is they are unsure if the pain in my heel that keeps me from running, jumping, wearing regular shoes, or going barefoot will ever go away. Major bummer. Anyway, the good news is that I think this is a cool concept and I am excited to see some other brands bring out actual performance EV's. Nissan is supposed to bring out some Nismo EV's in December.
My wife didn't actually like the way the HRV drove, much preferred the Nissans. The kicks is "quick", won't win any awards or races but at just over 2600 pounds its very peppy feeling. My wife has been driving a 2008 Yaris for the last 11 years and the Kicks feels like a very natural progression. The Qashqai despite being a bit larger felt smaller inside which I think is mainly from the shorter windows in the Qashqai. We're going to drive a ~2016 RAV-4 because she wants to try a Toyota as well. I think it'll be between the Kicks and the RAV-4 for her next vehicle. Supposedly the CVT issues are less bad, but still notable. If we get the Kicks I'd be very on top of regular fluid changes with the CVT.
09-03-2023 09:57 PM
09-03-2023 09:57 PM
#5119
Registered Member
Is the Quashqai a newer version of the Rogue Sport that they discontinued this year in the U.S? It looks like it and if so you are right that the Kicks feels more spacious inside. The only thing to be careful with the CVT transmission is to be sure that you replace the fluid with genuine Nissan CVT fluid or you will have problems like most people who try to service it at a non-Nissan store. The good news is that the service interval is usually about half as often as regular transmissions. Most cars today are built pretty well. Our Nissan shop is a lot smaller than our Toyota shop and we sell just about as many Nissans each month.
#5120
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Those images of the new EV-GTI are very appealing.
Shame about the MT news from VW and Mini. Inevitable and sad.
Shame about the MT news from VW and Mini. Inevitable and sad.
#5121
Yeah, I forgot they call it something different down there. We have the Mitsubishi RVR you guys have the Outlander Sport. She'll will likely put 10k miles a year on it if that so I'm not too too worried about the mileage on the transmission at least, and I'd definitely only go OEM for fluid on it. I'm honestly really impressed with the mid level SV trim.
#5122
Super Moderator
I was looking at them Thursday when I was having a service done at the combined Infiniti/Nissan dealer (we have no more Infiniti only dealers in SD). They actually look nice. I'm still concerned about the Nissan CVT.
#5123
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The CVT in my kid's 2014 Sentra is the worst transmission I've ever driven. It's just awful.
#5124
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#5125
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No, that wasn't a commentary on all CV transmissions, just the old Sentra. The CVT in the Maxima for the last decade has been fine, and the CVT in my wife's Subaru Forester is really good.
But the CVT in this 9 year old Sentra sucks. Driving down a steep hill causes it to freak out.
But the CVT in this 9 year old Sentra sucks. Driving down a steep hill causes it to freak out.
#5126
No, that wasn't a commentary on all CV transmissions, just the old Sentra. The CVT in the Maxima for the last decade has been fine, and the CVT in my wife's Subaru Forester is really good.
But the CVT in this 9 year old Sentra sucks. Driving down a steep hill causes it to freak out.
But the CVT in this 9 year old Sentra sucks. Driving down a steep hill causes it to freak out.
#5127
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Despite my sister never having an issue within it in 2 generations of Maximas, the Nissan CVTs worry me because I know Infiniti people that now work for "Nissan/Infiniti" tell me to steer clear.
I'm thinking that there has to a reason why Infiniti transitioned to a 9AT/ZF from a CVT in the 2022 QX60. Shame that one cannot get this SUV in a RWD.
As Rochester mentioned, others such as Subaru and even Honda have transitioned to a CVT without the black eyes that Nissan experienced.
I'm thinking that there has to a reason why Infiniti transitioned to a 9AT/ZF from a CVT in the 2022 QX60. Shame that one cannot get this SUV in a RWD.
As Rochester mentioned, others such as Subaru and even Honda have transitioned to a CVT without the black eyes that Nissan experienced.
#5128
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I have been a passenger in these cars, and to be honest, they make the G37 feel like a 5 series. Very tight inside. I've read that the base handling is nothing exciting, but balanced. It's also not as quick as a G37 on paper.
On the new model, I like how they allow you to select the Mark Levison Stereo and sport suspension with LSD as seperate packages. The F Sport Performance Exhaust is a nice option as well (some believe its made by Tanabe).
https://www.lexus.com/build-your-lexus/#!/zip/92064/series/IS/year/2023/trim/9510/buildId/102/display-summary/my-dream-car/{-x-:-01J7-,-i-:-EA62-,-a-:[-LM-,-G4-,-G5-,-5E-],-p-:[-NL-,-MM-,-IH-],-z-:}
I wonder if the buildl price is the actual price you pay, or if 10% or more in delaer chargers will be tacked on top? At this point, a Model 3 Performance discussion needs to take place.
Last edited by socketz67; 09-09-2023 at 02:52 PM.
#5129
Despite my sister never having an issue within it in 2 generations of Maximas, the Nissan CVTs worry me because I know Infiniti people that now work for "Nissan/Infiniti" tell me to steer clear.
I'm thinking that there has to a reason why Infiniti transitioned to a 9AT/ZF from a CVT in the 2022 QX60. Shame that one cannot get this SUV in a RWD.
As Rochester mentioned, others such as Subaru and even Honda have transitioned to a CVT without the black eyes that Nissan experienced.
I'm thinking that there has to a reason why Infiniti transitioned to a 9AT/ZF from a CVT in the 2022 QX60. Shame that one cannot get this SUV in a RWD.
As Rochester mentioned, others such as Subaru and even Honda have transitioned to a CVT without the black eyes that Nissan experienced.
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socketz67 (09-09-2023)
#5130
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@4DRZ As a Nissan sales professional , what are your thoughts on the Frontier Pro-4X?
https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/t...cs/pro-4x.html
I see it getting slammed in trade rags for being "long in the tooth", but for me, that translates into "Reliable". I like the way it looks and perfomrs (for a 4x4).
Also, the both the Toyota 4Runner and Tacoma are also built on fairly mature RWD based truck platforms.
https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/t...cs/pro-4x.html
I see it getting slammed in trade rags for being "long in the tooth", but for me, that translates into "Reliable". I like the way it looks and perfomrs (for a 4x4).
Also, the both the Toyota 4Runner and Tacoma are also built on fairly mature RWD based truck platforms.