What vehicle will be a worthy replacement for your sedan when it is time?
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#3482
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The G80 in a way is too flashy but also very bland from some angles. I think the rear end is the only area it looks decent. I would argue between both the F80 and G80 the m3 is better looking than the m4.
Let's not forget these cars sound terrible
Let's not forget these cars sound terrible
#3483
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I haven't seen anyone mention the IS500. It will be interesting what the F performance model will bring to the table with upgraded suspension/drivetrain.
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#3486
I love the sound of that E9X M3, but it just has no torque, weighs a lot, and has tiny brakes. A guy across the street at the BMW store has one with an exhaust. It sounds AMAZING, but it doesn't go anywhere. Sounds like it is going twice as fast as it actually is.
#3487
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Looking at the specs, it's still pretty heavy; just as heavy as the GSF if I'm not mistaken. Figured it might shed a few pounds for the IS model but doesn't seem to be the case. Still going to be around $60k starting if I had to guess. Cool to see Lexus is still pushing forward with big V8s though.
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Tesla Roadster is only 2700 pounds. Then again, the 2nd gen roadster is a two-ton brick.
Unless you're setting your daily up as a track car, I don't think it matters. Personally, I love the way it feels when a really heavy car actually handles well. There's something rewarding about that experience. Two cars come to mind like that which I've driven over the last few years... a Tesla Model S P100d and a modified Chevy SS 6MT. Both full sized, ridiculously heavy, and yet had amazing handling character.
Unless you're setting your daily up as a track car, I don't think it matters. Personally, I love the way it feels when a really heavy car actually handles well. There's something rewarding about that experience. Two cars come to mind like that which I've driven over the last few years... a Tesla Model S P100d and a modified Chevy SS 6MT. Both full sized, ridiculously heavy, and yet had amazing handling character.
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#3489
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Making a car lighter is no longer an engineering priority, it costs too much money to make the car lighter and manufacturers now find ways to "improve" the feel even if the car is hefty. I don't think cars will ever get lighter, they've been on the upward trend and will continue to get heavier as we move to turbo/hybrid/ev layouts.
#3494
Tesla Roadster is only 2700 pounds. Then again, the 2nd gen roadster is a two-ton brick.
Unless you're setting your daily up as a track car, I don't think it matters. Personally, I love the way it feels when a really heavy car actually handles well. There's something rewarding about that experience. Two cars come to mind like that which I've driven over the last few years... a Tesla Model S P100d and a modified Chevy SS 6MT. Both full sized, ridiculously heavy, and yet had amazing handling character.
Unless you're setting your daily up as a track car, I don't think it matters. Personally, I love the way it feels when a really heavy car actually handles well. There's something rewarding about that experience. Two cars come to mind like that which I've driven over the last few years... a Tesla Model S P100d and a modified Chevy SS 6MT. Both full sized, ridiculously heavy, and yet had amazing handling character.
Id have to agree with you on the heavier cars though; I like the way the doors make a more satisfying thunk when you close them and the weight transfer seems more intuitive. I've experience the the Model S P100D but not the Chevy SS. I suspect the immediate low RPM torque is the Model S seriously overshadows any internal combustion engine and the extremely low center of gravity for the S (due to the battery/floor pan) makes it very stable until you slide all four wheels
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Nope, never have, but I certainly would if ever offered. First rule of thumb for anyone into cars: never, ever turn down a test drive. Doesn't matter what kind of car it is.
I think the smallest cars I've ever driven would be the Pontiac Fiero and a Porsche 914. Can't say as I cared for either. As I was alluding to, I prefer a car with some heft... but I want it to handle well, too. And I don't really care for feeling like my butt is only two inches off the pavement. That's not my thing either.
It's why I appreciate the car that I have, and modified the way I like.
I think the smallest cars I've ever driven would be the Pontiac Fiero and a Porsche 914. Can't say as I cared for either. As I was alluding to, I prefer a car with some heft... but I want it to handle well, too. And I don't really care for feeling like my butt is only two inches off the pavement. That's not my thing either.
It's why I appreciate the car that I have, and modified the way I like.