Stolen!!!!!
04-11-2013, 05:01 AM
#46
Uhh yeah okay...that might fly in another country, but it is different here. That is so blatantly obvious that the car was being stolen. Plus do you think they're going to push it out a gate here? Please. Maybe if you parked your car in Harlem or some sketchy neighborhood that may happen, but this one required a whole team of people to steal a car. How do you know it isn't staged either?
I'm not denying there are professional thieves out there. What I am saying is that people don't need to panic because this type of occurrence doesn't happen often enough to cause for alarm.
I looked up more videos of the BMWs being stolen and they are the same thieves in the same neighborhood vicinity in England...I don't see any in the US. This is just specific only to the UK, and BMWs before the model year 2011.
Hackers steal BMWs in 3 minutes using security loophole - Technology on NBCNews.com
I'm not denying there are professional thieves out there. What I am saying is that people don't need to panic because this type of occurrence doesn't happen often enough to cause for alarm.
I looked up more videos of the BMWs being stolen and they are the same thieves in the same neighborhood vicinity in England...I don't see any in the US. This is just specific only to the UK, and BMWs before the model year 2011.
Hackers steal BMWs in 3 minutes using security loophole - Technology on NBCNews.com
Second of all if this car was jacked at 4am on a Sunday night there are no witnesses and even when car alarms go off, people just look the other way. Car alarms go off so frequently that it's like the boy who cried wolf. Typically in a gated community, the gates don't let you in without a barcode, but anyone can leave from the Exit.
Third, the G37 is one of the most stolen cars in the US (outside your rusty dumpster stuff like 95 civic and 91 accord, etc.) If you say otherwise you're just living in a delusional little bubble. The US (yes the Ritzy parts too) has a car stolen every 26 seconds, hardly has anything to do with Harlem or the UK.. Just because you don't hear about people's cars being stolen doesn't mean it's not happening.
A Car is Stolen in the United States Every 26.4 Seconds - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
America's most stolen cars - Infiniti G37 Coupe (5) - CNNMoney.com
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04-11-2013, 06:48 AM
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Actually you are both right, in Cali they are stealing cars just as he described:
What's The Secret Device Thieves In California Are Using To Break Into Cars?
What's The Secret Device Thieves In California Are Using To Break Into Cars?
04-11-2013, 09:39 AM
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Believe what you want. The proof is right there of the 1M being stolen out of a guy's driveway (who posted that video in a 1M forum that went viral) hardly doubt it was an inside job that the guy would post incriminating video footage online. They only wheeled it away because they didn't want to disturb the owner by starting it and started it outside the driveway, as seen at the end of the video. I don't see why a 1M owner would even want his car stolen, as that car is rarer than a Unicorn's dump - any "money" he got from an "inside job" would be paid to dealers gouging the used ones at $70k+, even more I would imagine in the UK. So yeah, he never got his hands on another 1M.
Second of all if this car was jacked at 4am on a Sunday night there are no witnesses and even when car alarms go off, people just look the other way. Car alarms go off so frequently that it's like the boy who cried wolf. Typically in a gated community, the gates don't let you in without a barcode, but anyone can leave from the Exit.
Third, the G37 is one of the most stolen cars in the US (outside your rusty dumpster stuff like 95 civic and 91 accord, etc.) If you say otherwise you're just living in a delusional little bubble. The US (yes the Ritzy parts too) has a car stolen every 26 seconds, hardly has anything to do with Harlem or the UK.. Just because you don't hear about people's cars being stolen doesn't mean it's not happening.
A Car is Stolen in the United States Every 26.4 Seconds - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
America's most stolen cars - Infiniti G37 Coupe (5) - CNNMoney.com
Second of all if this car was jacked at 4am on a Sunday night there are no witnesses and even when car alarms go off, people just look the other way. Car alarms go off so frequently that it's like the boy who cried wolf. Typically in a gated community, the gates don't let you in without a barcode, but anyone can leave from the Exit.
Third, the G37 is one of the most stolen cars in the US (outside your rusty dumpster stuff like 95 civic and 91 accord, etc.) If you say otherwise you're just living in a delusional little bubble. The US (yes the Ritzy parts too) has a car stolen every 26 seconds, hardly has anything to do with Harlem or the UK.. Just because you don't hear about people's cars being stolen doesn't mean it's not happening.
A Car is Stolen in the United States Every 26.4 Seconds - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
America's most stolen cars - Infiniti G37 Coupe (5) - CNNMoney.com
Also, these cars are not as desired because the risk they take to steal these are higher than some old jalopy. There isn't a known exploit for the Infiniti OBD computer like in the BMW made before 2011. Like I said though, no system is foolproof. The best thing to do is to take steps to prevent this from happening and have auto theft insurance.
And no, some gated places will not let you leave unless you have a keycard to exit.
04-11-2013, 10:01 AM
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I just want to point out, that list is not the most stolen cars in the US, but the cars most stolen by ratio to cars sold. there are far more civics and camry's stolen, but there are so many more of them sold they didn't make that list.
Top 10 Most-Stolen Cars In The U.S. « CBS New York
Top 10 Most-Stolen Cars In The U.S. « CBS New York
04-11-2013, 10:43 AM
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04-11-2013, 11:58 AM
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So what's the point? I mean you can say this about anything. Any car will be defeated eventually, but honestly, our cars aren't even CLOSE to be the top stolen vehicle in the US.
Thieves like to target older vehicles that are much easier to steal. For every one Infiniti stolen there are probably 15 Toyota Camry's stolen...
Also, time is an important factor. An Infiniti dealer takes 30 minutes to program keys. By then, someone would probably notice and the risk is too great. Plus, if we can afford an Infiniti, we could probably afford auto theft insurance.
Like what you're saying is pretty much what America banks and corporations face every single day when hackers try to hack their system. Eventually, once in a while, a hacker will go through. However, the chances of that happening aren't that high. Does that mean we shouldn't store money in banks anymore and just keep a safe in our houses? Because that can be cracked too.
So, to really think about what you're saying, you need to first take a lot of time to hack open the door (because you don't have the transponder key to open it, plug into the OBD reader for the computer to register, and then program the key to have the car turn on (which still takes 30 minutes MINIMUM by Infiniti Dealer.) The computer systems operate on the same principle: to erase your keys and reprogram new ones. Do you honestly think that most thieves are going to risk taking this long before getting caught by a witness?
This stolen Infiniti is quite rare, and you don't hear of this at all except once in a blue moon. I suspect the person who stole the vehicle probably knew about this for a while now and wasn't actually a random on the spot theft. Of course the other option would be to flat bed the vehicle and steal it that way, which is far easier than trying to hack through the computer.
Thieves like to target older vehicles that are much easier to steal. For every one Infiniti stolen there are probably 15 Toyota Camry's stolen...
Also, time is an important factor. An Infiniti dealer takes 30 minutes to program keys. By then, someone would probably notice and the risk is too great. Plus, if we can afford an Infiniti, we could probably afford auto theft insurance.
Like what you're saying is pretty much what America banks and corporations face every single day when hackers try to hack their system. Eventually, once in a while, a hacker will go through. However, the chances of that happening aren't that high. Does that mean we shouldn't store money in banks anymore and just keep a safe in our houses? Because that can be cracked too.
So, to really think about what you're saying, you need to first take a lot of time to hack open the door (because you don't have the transponder key to open it, plug into the OBD reader for the computer to register, and then program the key to have the car turn on (which still takes 30 minutes MINIMUM by Infiniti Dealer.) The computer systems operate on the same principle: to erase your keys and reprogram new ones. Do you honestly think that most thieves are going to risk taking this long before getting caught by a witness?
This stolen Infiniti is quite rare, and you don't hear of this at all except once in a blue moon. I suspect the person who stole the vehicle probably knew about this for a while now and wasn't actually a random on the spot theft. Of course the other option would be to flat bed the vehicle and steal it that way, which is far easier than trying to hack through the computer.
I'm not going to argue this anymore. My point is made. If someone wants to steal your car, the easiest method would be just to tow it away. Doing this hacking thing would make a lot of noise, and maybe require a whole team of professional thieves.
Also, these cars are not as desired because the risk they take to steal these are higher than some old jalopy. There isn't a known exploit for the Infiniti OBD computer like in the BMW made before 2011. Like I said though, no system is foolproof. The best thing to do is to take steps to prevent this from happening and have auto theft insurance.
And no, some gated places will not let you leave unless you have a keycard to exit.
Also, these cars are not as desired because the risk they take to steal these are higher than some old jalopy. There isn't a known exploit for the Infiniti OBD computer like in the BMW made before 2011. Like I said though, no system is foolproof. The best thing to do is to take steps to prevent this from happening and have auto theft insurance.
And no, some gated places will not let you leave unless you have a keycard to exit.
04-11-2013, 12:08 PM
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Insurance will cover, but rates will probably go sky high if State Farm doesn't drop me. This is the third hit in the last six years. Wife totaled her 2006 WRX in 2008 and had a small fender bender (no damage) with her 2011 WRX where the other person claimed medical pain. (this is why if the parties agree to no police, never ever give them your insurance information).
04-11-2013, 01:49 PM
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Insurance will cover, but rates will probably go sky high if State Farm doesn't drop me. This is the third hit in the last six years. Wife totaled her 2006 WRX in 2008 and had a small fender bender (no damage) with her 2011 WRX where the other person claimed medical pain. (this is why if the parties agree to no police, never ever give them your insurance information).
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Other than brakes, I would think the wheels.
If they send the entire car to another country, than the 6spd becomes important because only people in the US drive automatics. Every other country is more about manual shifting.
Other than brakes, I would think the wheels.
If they send the entire car to another country, than the 6spd becomes important because only people in the US drive automatics. Every other country is more about manual shifting.
04-11-2013, 02:56 PM
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Insurance will cover, but rates will probably go sky high if State Farm doesn't drop me. This is the third hit in the last six years. Wife totaled her 2006 WRX in 2008 and had a small fender bender (no damage) with her 2011 WRX where the other person claimed medical pain. (this is why if the parties agree to no police, never ever give them your insurance information).
04-11-2013, 06:55 PM
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I have never heard of a gated community that traps people in. They are designed to keep people out. How are guests supposed to get out if they need a fob? What you are saying makes no sense.
The flatbed idea is also unlikely. Flatbeds are loud and frequently wake me up in the middle of the night and will be noticed. My theory is 1 guy with hardware and 1 or 2 guys as lookouts in the middle of the night.
I frequently see shady people and excons smoking in the parking lot. Nobody approaches them in fear of being stabbed with a shiv. Miami is a cake filled with dog poo and knives.
The flatbed idea is also unlikely. Flatbeds are loud and frequently wake me up in the middle of the night and will be noticed. My theory is 1 guy with hardware and 1 or 2 guys as lookouts in the middle of the night.
I frequently see shady people and excons smoking in the parking lot. Nobody approaches them in fear of being stabbed with a shiv. Miami is a cake filled with dog poo and knives.
04-12-2013, 03:00 AM
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I have never heard of a gated community that traps people in. They are designed to keep people out. How are guests supposed to get out if they need a fob? What you are saying makes no sense.
The flatbed idea is also unlikely. Flatbeds are loud and frequently wake me up in the middle of the night and will be noticed. My theory is 1 guy with hardware and 1 or 2 guys as lookouts in the middle of the night.
I frequently see shady people and excons smoking in the parking lot. Nobody approaches them in fear of being stabbed with a shiv. Miami is a cake filled with dog poo and knives.
The flatbed idea is also unlikely. Flatbeds are loud and frequently wake me up in the middle of the night and will be noticed. My theory is 1 guy with hardware and 1 or 2 guys as lookouts in the middle of the night.
I frequently see shady people and excons smoking in the parking lot. Nobody approaches them in fear of being stabbed with a shiv. Miami is a cake filled with dog poo and knives.
Breaking glass is just as loud or hacking open a door than a flatbed truck. At least nobody would think anything out of the ordinary if a tow truck came rather than breaking a glass door or drilling a hole into the side of the door. Our cars have an alarm system when you try to open the door while locked.
04-12-2013, 10:40 AM
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What people? What pass? Do you know how a LARGE gated community works? There is a guard when you enter who writes up temp. passes and an exit gate that opens automatically, for everyone who wants to leave. Nobody sits by the exit and opens gates, guests don't have keycards, guests don't sit there and wait for a guard who is busy dealing with guests coming in to let them out. I've been to 20 gated communities and none of them require someone to let you out. You drive over the sensor and you're gone.
There are devices out there that will unlock the car. Even if they break the window they'll be gone before anyone gets out of bed. There are many techniques to breaking glass quietly or with minimal sound.
I thought you were done with this thread?
There are devices out there that will unlock the car. Even if they break the window they'll be gone before anyone gets out of bed. There are many techniques to breaking glass quietly or with minimal sound.
I thought you were done with this thread?