How does the '11 AWD system REALLY work?
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How does the '11 AWD system REALLY work?
I've been told one story by the salesman, another 2 by service advisors.
1. It's full-time 60/40, R/F. (service)
2. 100% rear until a certain (unknown) slippage on the rears occurs. (service)
3. 100% full-time 50/50 R/F. (salesman)
I'm thinking #2 makes more sense, what say ye?
1. It's full-time 60/40, R/F. (service)
2. 100% rear until a certain (unknown) slippage on the rears occurs. (service)
3. 100% full-time 50/50 R/F. (salesman)
I'm thinking #2 makes more sense, what say ye?
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It's #2 (100% RWD until a certain the systems detects wheel slippage).
EDIT: Specifically, there is a 5% front-rear rotational speed differential slip threshold that when exceeded activates power transfer to the front wheels
EDIT: Specifically, there is a 5% front-rear rotational speed differential slip threshold that when exceeded activates power transfer to the front wheels
Last edited by DocJohn; 07-05-2012 at 12:47 PM.
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Snow button, I believe, just decreases the sensitivity of the throttle. An easy way to put the debate to rest is to have a person with awd activate the snow button and then make a tight turn at lows speeds. Anybody that has driven a 4wd truck knows that when you low speed tight turn the 4wd will fight with you, making the turn jerky/not smooth at all. It's just an inherent side effect of a 50/50 split.
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Snow button, I believe, just decreases the sensitivity of the throttle. An easy way to put the debate to rest is to have a person with awd activate the snow button and then make a tight turn at lows speeds. Anybody that has driven a 4wd truck knows that when you low speed tight turn the 4wd will fight with you, making the turn jerky/not smooth at all. It's just an inherent side effect of a 50/50 split.
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Why? The system we have is the best of all worlds compared to every other AWD system out there (and I have owned and driven plenty of them).
You always want to have RWD as a base (if you care about sporty driving that is) -- check.
You want to be able to have instantaneous and smooth transition to AWD when needed, with no torque steer -- check.
You want to be able to lock it into 50/50 for deep snow/mud/gravel/etc. -- check.
You want two-wheel drive for better fuel economy for the 95% of the time you don't need the extra traction -- check.
You want AWD for launch (which our system has, based on speed and throttle position, it always launches from a rest in AWD mode and then quickly reverts to RWD when it figures out you are not slipping) -- check.
What's left that the Nissan system is not superior for?
Having a permanent 60/40 or 50/50 split has only one advantage--predictability. This is rendered irrelevant in the world of electronic traction control and other nannies. It is also a double-edged sword: it is predictable that you will understeer under heavy throtlle while turning. I prefer the balance of RWD (that all sports cars use), but the "nanny" of AWD ready to jump in in a split second if I screw-up or some unexpected loose surface or road problem suddenly appears.
I would love for somone to list a scenario where the ATTESA system is inferior to mechanical AWD (Audi larger models and Subaru manual transmission), the traction controlled open diff systems like BMW and M-B or Haldex (or Haldex-like) systems on FWD cars (pretty much everything else out there).
You always want to have RWD as a base (if you care about sporty driving that is) -- check.
You want to be able to have instantaneous and smooth transition to AWD when needed, with no torque steer -- check.
You want to be able to lock it into 50/50 for deep snow/mud/gravel/etc. -- check.
You want two-wheel drive for better fuel economy for the 95% of the time you don't need the extra traction -- check.
You want AWD for launch (which our system has, based on speed and throttle position, it always launches from a rest in AWD mode and then quickly reverts to RWD when it figures out you are not slipping) -- check.
What's left that the Nissan system is not superior for?
Having a permanent 60/40 or 50/50 split has only one advantage--predictability. This is rendered irrelevant in the world of electronic traction control and other nannies. It is also a double-edged sword: it is predictable that you will understeer under heavy throtlle while turning. I prefer the balance of RWD (that all sports cars use), but the "nanny" of AWD ready to jump in in a split second if I screw-up or some unexpected loose surface or road problem suddenly appears.
I would love for somone to list a scenario where the ATTESA system is inferior to mechanical AWD (Audi larger models and Subaru manual transmission), the traction controlled open diff systems like BMW and M-B or Haldex (or Haldex-like) systems on FWD cars (pretty much everything else out there).
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Although with the temperature predicted to be about 100 on Saturday, the snow button is about the farthest thing from my mind.