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Old 03-06-2012, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 328HP
The residual value on the 335i should be better, there is at least $1,000 in maintenance costs on the G. The 335i is more fuel efficient, there is another $500 at least. That can salvage some of the 10K difference.

I priced out a 335i to 52k, it will have more than what the 2012 G37xS fully loaded @ $46k has. That's a 6k difference. I guess one could argue that a fair comparison is the 335xi, but I do not have pricing information on that.

0-60 in 4.7s, how many cars do that and how much are they priced at?
I have seen conflict reports on the new 335, CD said it definitely slower than the older version which is 4.8 to 60 and the new one 5.3. Looks like BMW forgot to up the boost for CD's test car.
And I am sure this time they would not forget to bolt on an extra oil cooler on MT's for free.

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Old 03-06-2012, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Beer Magazine
I agree, that 8/10ths the performance is still more than everybody here will ever push a street car. And realistically you're arguing my point for me. If you take ownership and cost out...the BMW is a better performing car. Bells and whistles taken out.
Wasn't trying to argue with you, I agree the BMW is a great car. I was simply stating unfortunately I don't live in a world where I can ignore all the other factors so the G won out and is in my garage now. Head to head ignoring everything else comparing factory spec cars the BMW performance wise is better. However look at the total package including cost of ownership, initial price, options, performance, reliability, etc... you get a pretty compelling match-up between the two.

I also thoroughly believe in never owning the first model year of a total redesign, give them time to work out the kinks for next year.

Either way, important part is I'm happy with my G and I feel like I got a great deal. It fits my needs and is still seems to impress people just as much as a BMW would when I tell them what I drive. I think the interesting match up will be when the G gets redesigned and how it competes, BMW set a high bar for sure, but we all know how mfgs like to one up each other.
Old 03-06-2012, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 00Max00
I have seen conflict reports on the new 335, CD said it definitely slower than the older version which is 4.8 to 60 and the new one 5.3. Looks like BMW forgot to up the boost for CD's test car.
And I am sure this time they would not forget to bolt on an extra oil cooler on MT's for free.
Yea, the new 335 with the N55 engine (single turbo as opposed to the '07-'10 N54 twin turbo) has so far proved to be slower. It's not quite the underrated dyno queen the N54 proved to be, and also doesn't respond as well to mods. But they fixed the HPFP issues.

I agree mostly with the 8/10th of the performance..but I would say it's more like 9/10. The BMW is only really better in the power area, where that turbo and tunability is nice, but the G still out-handles and out-brakes based on the tests I've seen if you look at it that way.

And the price really is a big difference...with some negotiation getting a 335i with sport, nav, etc. is going to be $45k I got the G fully loaded for $38k, and IMO has a nicer interior, less bland.
Old 03-06-2012, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MACS
I'm not mad at you, brother. I'm just pointing out inconsistencies. The remark in red proves you're a BMW guy, not a G37 guy.
Yeah, but I own a G hence my moniker.

I really enjoy the G, don't get me wrong. I would say the biggest issue is stop and go traffic.

Unlike my turbo Subaru where torque came on very fast, the G has to be revved, just in time to slam on the brakes. The Subaru had more get and go earlier on.

On the highway the G is a fantastic cruiser however.
Old 03-06-2012, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 00Max00
I have seen conflict reports on the new 335, CD said it definitely slower than the older version which is 4.8 to 60 and the new one 5.3. Looks like BMW forgot to up the boost for CD's test car.
And I am sure this time they would not forget to bolt on an extra oil cooler on MT's for free.
My quote is from MT, they used the 8 speed and explained how to launch it. They got it to go as fast at the 335is which has dual clutch
Old 03-07-2012, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Beer Magazine
errr okay...every performance stat favors the BMW. I have a G, I think it's great, but it's 8/10 of the car at a much better price.
Actually not braking! G has better brakes. Also the car is bigger that is the reason why performance is a little bit slower in stock form. But for example, my test pipes a lone help me spank 335i's, so I'm not complaining!
Old 03-07-2012, 01:07 AM
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The other overriding factor in my mind is the twin turbo vs naturally aspirated.

Kinda cheating, ain't it?
Old 03-07-2012, 01:11 AM
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I got a G25 as a loaner. Yes it's no G37, but I didn't expect it to be. If you know what you're getting in terms of a watered down version of the G37, the car was just fine. Very gas efficient too.
Old 03-07-2012, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by azndrgnkid
I got a G25 as a loaner. Yes it's no G37, but I didn't expect it to be. If you know what you're getting in terms of a watered down version of the G37, the car was just fine. Very gas efficient too.
It's efficient to a certain degree. I was kind of surprised that the G25 still requires premium gas for a low displaced 6 cylinder.
Old 03-07-2012, 08:27 AM
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It's efficient to a certain degree. I was kind of surprised that the G25 still requires premium gas for a low displaced 6 cylinder.
I was surprised that it has 30% less displacement and only 10% better fuel economy.
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Originally Posted by blnewt
I was surprised that it has 30% less displacement and only 10% better fuel economy.
Because both Gs are basically the same car with different engines. The smaller engine has to be working harder hence less efficiency. Smaller engines do best on constant highway speed where variation of speed kept to the minimum. If you drive both G37 and 328 hard, there will not be much difference, despite the 328i has only 55% displacement of the G. It is simple physics, you just can't have extra power for free no matter how you make it.
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we can pick apart these comparisons as much as we want, but for me, what really matters is the fact that for what I'm paying on my lease ($0 down), there isn't a car out there that I'd rather be driving.
Old 03-07-2012, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 6mtg37s
Actually not braking! G has better brakes. Also the car is bigger that is the reason why performance is a little bit slower in stock form. But for example, my test pipes a lone help me spank 335i's, so I'm not complaining!
Can you show the timeslips?
Old 03-07-2012, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 6mtg37s
Actually not braking! G has better brakes. Also the car is bigger that is the reason why performance is a little bit slower in stock form. But for example, my test pipes a lone help me spank 335i's, so I'm not complaining!
The G doesn't have better brakes. First of the brakes on the G are the same that had total failure in C&Ds testing twice.

The 335 comes with upgrade brakes that are bigger, or the same as the upgraded ones on the G.

Spanking on the street has nothing to do with the capabilities of the car. I can race people who don't know too!
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Originally Posted by g37guy01
Can you show the timeslips?
Went from a 20 roll, 40 roll and 60 roll, took the 335 all 3 times. Ive also ran other 335s, taken them all. The G has better high end and more power, not too suprising.
Originally Posted by Beer Magazine
The G doesn't have better brakes. First of the brakes on the G are the same that had total failure in C&Ds testing twice.

The 335 comes with upgrade brakes that are bigger, or the same as the upgraded ones on the G.

Spanking on the street has nothing to do with the capabilities of the car. I can race people who don't know too!
Actually the G's brakes are 14" 4 piston up front, the 335 has 13.7" 1 piston, our rear brakes on the G are even bigger than the 335's front brakes hahaaa. And C&D overheated the factory pads, this happens on the 335 too. Second I don't spank them on the street, I also spank them on turns, since 335s have a understeering chassis, it's like a rwd honda to be honest. Alot of fanboys for a car that's not too great.


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