sniper27

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A lot of people "think" they virtually win drag races at a stop light with me all the time too...but what they don't know is that, I'm wasn't really racing.

I rather have the low end torque/power at 1200 rpm instead of having to floor it and rev up to 4500 rpm to get any power out of a heavy car with 300+ hp when I'm commuting in stop and go traffic.

visualguy

I looked at the torque curves of the VQ37VHR and the N20 (published by Automobile magazine), and I don't know what people are talking about here. Where do you see that you need to rev the VQ to 4K RPM, and the N20 is good at 1200 RPM? I don't see it.

00Max00

I bet they never looked at or cared to looked at the G37/335iTT torque curve comparison a while back on the G35 board, given their mindset that BMW is the best no matter what crap they churned out.

You get 90% of peak TQ at just 2000RPM, and VQ37VHR curve is much flatter and usable. It is apparent those guys want TQ at idle, they simply looked at wrong type of car, electric motors are more suitable to them.

Goonz

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You have to atleast hand it to BMW for coming out with good looking 3-series every time, the G is aging in design so it has some catching up to do.

00Max00

I like the look of E90 over F30 and I am certainly not alone. But look is subjective, so there's not much can be discussed. 50% of my decision on the G was the look.

devil2k

We should just agree that BMW is the best so that the fanboys can move on to troll other forums and leave us alone.

kanariya

Analysis of the 335 and G37 (warning, math heavy) - G35Driver

this?

you have to factor in the weight of the cars.

visualguy

That's the 335i, not 328i. The torque curves for the 2012 328i and the G37 are similar up to 4500RPM. At higher RPMs, the G37 stays strong, while the 328i drops off. Again, at mid and low RPMs they are similar, and at high RPMs the 328i is a lot weaker.

devil2k

But the torque curve of 328i is very steep at the beginning, which means when you step on it at a stop light it feels like you're driving a civic until the boost starts to build up.

kanariya

That was the thread he was talking about.
300lbs less is a lot to be factor in.

I compared the 328i I test drove with my AWD which is around 400lbs lighter.
The 328i feels quick and light off the line while my G feels nothing but heavy.

You should go drive one. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

I drove the MK6 GTI last week and it felt more responsive than my G even though it's only 200hp/200lb/ft but weights 800lbs less than my AWD G.

00Max00

Yup, that's why a reviewer's 528i with the same powertrain was smoked by a Prius, which gave me a pretty good laugh. BMW has obviously focused on fuel econ other than driving experience with this iteration, which get them one step closer to be a Camry.

"In “Eco Pro” mode, the throttle feel approaches that of a Prius, and I found it oddly soothing to ooze slowly away from stops much as I would in a Prius. (So much so that, when I drove a 528i with the same powertrain, a Prius first tailgated then passed me. Payback’s a…well, you know.)"

visualguy

I wanted to test drive a 2012 328i with manual transmission, but no one had them in my area.

My automatic G37 doesn't feel slow when starting from stop - quite the contrary. Yes, it is a pretty heavy car at 3700lbs, but the engine is more than strong enough to handle that well. It would be nice if the car was lighter, though - lighter cars do indeed have a different feel to them which I like.

Regarding the G37S 6MT - I'm not a big fan of it as I mentioned in other threads, which is why I wanted to test drive a manual 328i.

visualguy

Hmmm... It looks like the automatic G37 is only 3628 lbs actually. The automatic 328i is 3461 lbs, so the difference for the automatic model is only 167 lbs, not 300 lbs.

sniper27

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we're comparing a 5 series to a little prius now? lol. FWIW, the Prius smokes my G off the line when I'm don't floor it.

00Max00

No, the reviewer just wrote about his experiences in a F30 328 review.

And yes, the Prius is a better car for your need.