Poor G :(
03-23-2012, 01:12 AM
#361
Just a FYI - this is a G37 board. Most people on here own a G37. We bought it for a reason - power, refinement, price, etc - or a combination of several reasons. For me, it's power, handling, quality, and equipment were impressive. Combined with an incredible deal and it couldn't be beat. Period. Show me a new loaded 335 for less than $400/mo - doesn't exist.
To continue to try to say the 3 is better, more refined, faster, better, etc is useless. Honestly - if you strongly feel that way - why do you have G? Please sell it and buy what you want.
I enjoy my G every day. No amount of bashing from an internet board will change that. It's right for me. If yours is not right for you - please correct your situation.
Thanks
To continue to try to say the 3 is better, more refined, faster, better, etc is useless. Honestly - if you strongly feel that way - why do you have G? Please sell it and buy what you want.
I enjoy my G every day. No amount of bashing from an internet board will change that. It's right for me. If yours is not right for you - please correct your situation.
Thanks
I would love to terminate my G lease now if possible and reasonable financially.
03-23-2012, 07:32 AM
#363
Registered User
This is a thread where the OP talks about the G being surpassed by the competition. Infiniti created the G35 to go after the 3 series. It didn't hit the mark but it saved Infiniti from the axe. I enjoy by G, but BMW builds a better sports sedan, for a price.
One can either acknowledge it or not. I'll defend G for the good things they did. For the majority it's a great car. For some percentage of the minority, there are issues: like what is documented in the great tranny thread over muliple enthusiast sites.
When people say the G is the better sports sedan, ain't true. It may be the better value, but that is a whole other story.
One can either acknowledge it or not. I'll defend G for the good things they did. For the majority it's a great car. For some percentage of the minority, there are issues: like what is documented in the great tranny thread over muliple enthusiast sites.
When people say the G is the better sports sedan, ain't true. It may be the better value, but that is a whole other story.
If we stick to the original post and talk about the comparison - it really was not a fair fight. I'm not saying the 328 wouldn't have won anyway - just that the comments would have changed if the cars they chose had a closer price point.
And yes - you picked up on my point - people buy cars for different reasons. I had a price point in mind - visited several dealerships (including BMW) - and walked away with (IMO) the best overall deal for me. Note: I did not say the best overall sports sedan - but the best combination of attributes including value.
Thanks
03-23-2012, 07:35 AM
#364
Registered User
For comparison - I'm @380/12k/2.3k down with prem & nav & sport.
Your 335 deal is what? Please let me know - and where. The local stealerships in DFW were no where close.
03-23-2012, 08:50 AM
#365
Registered User
However, BMW still rapes you with mileage charges (0.20/mile I think) and has an inflated money factor, and residuals. I'm not paying 5% interest on a lease, sorry. The residuals on the new F30 are also highly inflated, a recipe for coming out of the lease $4k underwater.
I only decided to lease because the interest rate was lower than financing, and with Infiniti only charging $0.10/mile it made sense for me since I drive a lot.
I'm only paying 0.9% interest on my G and will actually have equity at the end of my lease.
BTW, forgot to mention..I really love my G! I may try to switch out to a '12 RWD S package if a deal comes along..other than that, couldn't be happier!
03-23-2012, 09:44 AM
#367
It's always 0 down when I do a lease.
The deal is happening now in nyc
And a base 36k 328 would just perform as well as the loaded one minus the extra luxury factors.
03-23-2012, 10:05 AM
#368
Yes, it's possible..BMW is really pushing to get rid of the remaining xDrive models, they had a lot of unsold inventory this year. People have been buying the 328xi's for <$300/month. But it's 2011's, not the F30. And colors/options are slim at this point, but if you want a good deal they're out there. Don't expect deals on the F30 until Fall. I feel sorry for all the people that bought before the deals, the average lease payment on a 335i is between $500-700.
However, BMW still rapes you with mileage charges (0.20/mile I think) and has an inflated money factor, and residuals. I'm not paying 5% interest on a lease, sorry. The residuals on the new F30 are also highly inflated, a recipe for coming out of the lease $4k underwater.
I only decided to lease because the interest rate was lower than financing, and with Infiniti only charging $0.10/mile it made sense for me since I drive a lot.
I'm only paying 0.9% interest on my G and will actually have equity at the end of my lease.
BTW, forgot to mention..I really love my G! I may try to switch out to a '12 RWD S package if a deal comes along..other than that, couldn't be happier!
However, BMW still rapes you with mileage charges (0.20/mile I think) and has an inflated money factor, and residuals. I'm not paying 5% interest on a lease, sorry. The residuals on the new F30 are also highly inflated, a recipe for coming out of the lease $4k underwater.
I only decided to lease because the interest rate was lower than financing, and with Infiniti only charging $0.10/mile it made sense for me since I drive a lot.
I'm only paying 0.9% interest on my G and will actually have equity at the end of my lease.
BTW, forgot to mention..I really love my G! I may try to switch out to a '12 RWD S package if a deal comes along..other than that, couldn't be happier!
Why u hate on the boost residual? High residual is great for leasing.
03-23-2012, 10:15 AM
#369
Registered User
You want a high residual for leasing - but not so high that it will put you underwater if you want to buy it at lease end and make some money or get a good deal. BMW structures their leases so it's almost impossible to ever buy out and not be a lot underwater, it's their strategy because they want you to turn the car in and lease another one and get you for mileage and damage fees.
It's about finding a good balance..Infiniti still has good residuals but based on estimates I'll be able to buy the car out or trade my in for $3k or so under market value.
Also, on the new F30, yes you can buy a stripper F30 328i for 36k..but let's compare to what you get on a prem/nav/sport G37S.
Base sport line is 38k btw, and yes it needs to be sport line to compare to even a base G37 as far as handling/brakes. You will see below how bad they nickle and dime you...i guess you pay to play alright!
-To just get leather (not the pleather/leatherette) you pay extra for Dakota and must get Premium
-To get autodim, keyless, and a sunroof you must get premium
-To get rearview camera and park distance you must get Parking package
-To get nav you must get Tech package
-To just get heated seats you must get the whole cold weather package
-To get similar to the Bose you must get the upgraded HK, for $950. And no, the stock business BMW radio is not as good as the Bose, even though I know the Blose sucks overall.
-$900 for xenons. Wtf? These should be standard on any car now.
-$400 to get a car alarm..good grief
-To get paddle shifters on the automatic it's $500 extra..now we're at $50k..
My 328i Sedan Details
2.0-liter, inline 4-cylinder engine
Rear-wheel drive
See all standard features
BASE MSRP
$34,900
Sport Line$2,500
Melbourne Red Metallic$550
Leather Dakota Black/Red highlight$0
High-Gloss Black trim$0
Cold Weather Package$1,350
Parking Package$1,550
Premium Package$3,600
Premium Sound Package$950
Technology Package$2,550
Sport automatic transmission with shift paddles$500
Anti-theft alarm system$400
Xenon headlights$900
Destination & Handling:$895
BMW Ultimate Service™
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4 Years/50,000 Miles WarrantyIncluded
4 Years/50,000 Miles
Maintenance ProgramIncluded
4 Years/Unlimited Mileage
Roadside AssistanceIncluded
TOTAL MSRP AS BUILT$50,645
You can european delivery and get $3k off or you might be able to find a non-local dealer who will let you order one at $500 over invoice or something..but this doesn't come close to what you get on a G37S with nav,sport,and premium for $43k.
Last edited by jepva; 03-23-2012 at 10:27 AM.
03-23-2012, 10:29 AM
#370
I prepaid for the extra and its always at a discounted rate when you do that..I knew I would be driving more than 15k/year so I bought 9000 extra for a total of 18k/year. Added only $25/month to my payment.
You want a high residual for leasing - but not so high that it will put you underwater if you want to buy it at lease end and make some money or get a good deal. BMW structures their leases so it's almost impossible to ever buy out and not be a lot underwater, it's their strategy because they want you to turn the car in and lease another one and get you for mileage and damage fees.
It's about finding a good balance..Infiniti still has good residuals but based on estimates I'll be able to buy the car out or trade my in for $3k or so under market value.
You want a high residual for leasing - but not so high that it will put you underwater if you want to buy it at lease end and make some money or get a good deal. BMW structures their leases so it's almost impossible to ever buy out and not be a lot underwater, it's their strategy because they want you to turn the car in and lease another one and get you for mileage and damage fees.
It's about finding a good balance..Infiniti still has good residuals but based on estimates I'll be able to buy the car out or trade my in for $3k or so under market value.
03-23-2012, 10:33 AM
#371
I prepaid for the extra and its always at a discounted rate when you do that..I knew I would be driving more than 15k/year so I bought 9000 extra for a total of 18k/year. Added only $25/month to my payment.
You want a high residual for leasing - but not so high that it will put you underwater if you want to buy it at lease end and make some money or get a good deal. BMW structures their leases so it's almost impossible to ever buy out and not be a lot underwater, it's their strategy because they want you to turn the car in and lease another one and get you for mileage and damage fees.
It's about finding a good balance..Infiniti still has good residuals but based on estimates I'll be able to buy the car out or trade my in for $3k or so under market value.
IMO it's not really fair to compare the crazy deals BMW is doing right now on leftover 2011 335i's. Just saying...BMW rarely does this, they just had a lot of these leftover this year.
Also, on the new F30, yes you can buy a stripper F30 328i for 36k..but let's compare to what you get on a prem/nav/sport G37S.
Base sport line is 38k btw, and yes it needs to be sport line to compare to even a base G37 as far as handling/brakes. You will see below how bad they nickle and dime you...i guess you pay to play alright!
-To just get leather (not the pleather/leatherette) you pay extra for Dakota and must get Premium
-To get autodim, keyless, and a sunroof you must get premium
-To get rearview camera and park distance you must get Parking package
-To get nav you must get Tech package
-To just get heated seats you must get the whole cold weather package
-To get similar to the Bose you must get the upgraded HK, for $950. And no, the stock business BMW radio is not as good as the Bose, even though I know the Blose sucks overall.
-$900 for xenons. Wtf? These should be standard on any car now.
-$400 to get a car alarm..good grief
-To get paddle shifters on the automatic it's $500 extra..now we're at $50k..
My 328i Sedan Details
2.0-liter, inline 4-cylinder engine
Rear-wheel drive
See all standard features
BASE MSRP
$34,900
Sport Line$2,500
Melbourne Red Metallic$550
Leather Dakota Black/Red highlight$0
High-Gloss Black trim$0
Cold Weather Package$1,350
Parking Package$1,550
Premium Package$3,600
Premium Sound Package$950
Technology Package$2,550
Sport automatic transmission with shift paddles$500
Anti-theft alarm system$400
Xenon headlights$900
Destination & Handling:$895
BMW Ultimate Service™
A suite of premium benefits that are included at no cost with all new BMW Vehicles.
4 Years/50,000 Miles WarrantyIncluded
4 Years/50,000 Miles
Maintenance ProgramIncluded
4 Years/Unlimited Mileage
Roadside AssistanceIncluded
TOTAL MSRP AS BUILT$50,645
You can european delivery and get $3k off or you might be able to find a non-local dealer who will let you order one at $500 over invoice or something..but this doesn't come close to what you get on a G37S with nav,sport,and premium for $43k.
You want a high residual for leasing - but not so high that it will put you underwater if you want to buy it at lease end and make some money or get a good deal. BMW structures their leases so it's almost impossible to ever buy out and not be a lot underwater, it's their strategy because they want you to turn the car in and lease another one and get you for mileage and damage fees.
It's about finding a good balance..Infiniti still has good residuals but based on estimates I'll be able to buy the car out or trade my in for $3k or so under market value.
IMO it's not really fair to compare the crazy deals BMW is doing right now on leftover 2011 335i's. Just saying...BMW rarely does this, they just had a lot of these leftover this year.
Also, on the new F30, yes you can buy a stripper F30 328i for 36k..but let's compare to what you get on a prem/nav/sport G37S.
Base sport line is 38k btw, and yes it needs to be sport line to compare to even a base G37 as far as handling/brakes. You will see below how bad they nickle and dime you...i guess you pay to play alright!
-To just get leather (not the pleather/leatherette) you pay extra for Dakota and must get Premium
-To get autodim, keyless, and a sunroof you must get premium
-To get rearview camera and park distance you must get Parking package
-To get nav you must get Tech package
-To just get heated seats you must get the whole cold weather package
-To get similar to the Bose you must get the upgraded HK, for $950. And no, the stock business BMW radio is not as good as the Bose, even though I know the Blose sucks overall.
-$900 for xenons. Wtf? These should be standard on any car now.
-$400 to get a car alarm..good grief
-To get paddle shifters on the automatic it's $500 extra..now we're at $50k..
My 328i Sedan Details
2.0-liter, inline 4-cylinder engine
Rear-wheel drive
See all standard features
BASE MSRP
$34,900
Sport Line$2,500
Melbourne Red Metallic$550
Leather Dakota Black/Red highlight$0
High-Gloss Black trim$0
Cold Weather Package$1,350
Parking Package$1,550
Premium Package$3,600
Premium Sound Package$950
Technology Package$2,550
Sport automatic transmission with shift paddles$500
Anti-theft alarm system$400
Xenon headlights$900
Destination & Handling:$895
BMW Ultimate Service™
A suite of premium benefits that are included at no cost with all new BMW Vehicles.
4 Years/50,000 Miles WarrantyIncluded
4 Years/50,000 Miles
Maintenance ProgramIncluded
4 Years/Unlimited Mileage
Roadside AssistanceIncluded
TOTAL MSRP AS BUILT$50,645
You can european delivery and get $3k off or you might be able to find a non-local dealer who will let you order one at $500 over invoice or something..but this doesn't come close to what you get on a G37S with nav,sport,and premium for $43k.
Fact is most of the people do not FULLY load it.
A $42k well equiped 328i drives just as well as a $50k loaded one.
If you add everything to the G it will be $47-48k as well.
03-23-2012, 10:54 AM
#372
Registered User
You cannot get a G37 to 47k..maybe the Limited Edition or if you add all of the accessories possible. A RWD G37S with nav,sport,premium is $43k..an X is $44k. Pretty simple package. And to boot I got mine for $37k. Can't negotiate like that on an F30..
03-23-2012, 11:39 AM
#373
An X with nav,sport,premium for $37k? What a deal you've gotten even it is a '11! But I don't think you are able to get close to that anymore. Infiniti has increased the MSRP on '12 even more.
03-23-2012, 01:04 PM
#374
The point is that when comparing to the BMW, you need to look at street prices, not MSRP...
03-23-2012, 02:18 PM
#375