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Old 03-24-2011 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by audtatious
I've noticed a similar problem. In manual mode (VDC off), slow down for a hard right and drop the gear down to 2 while turning and push the gas. The car will go into limbo for what seems an eternity until it finally dumps into gear (no slip light because the car has no power at the time). I can almost replicate this at will. I took it to my local Infiniti service center and they had no issue replicating the problem after I took them for a ride and showed them. Unfortunately, there is no fix. They supposedly reported it to Infiniti but seeing as how I have the 5AT there won't be anything coming down the pipe for it.

It's similar to the gear hunting you run across when slamming the throttle, then get off it when it starts to downshift, then slamming the throttle again. Car can't make up its mind what gear to be in and it just thinks about it for a while.
I know there is a tsb on this. My car had some lag issues,all gone now. Much smoother & way more responsive in ds mode.
what dealer, I have the 5 a/t.
they did a transmisson software update.
it was listed as ecm reprograming.
there is a tsb on this.
Old 03-24-2011 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by audtatious
I've noticed a similar problem. In manual mode (VDC off), slow down for a hard right and drop the gear down to 2 while turning and push the gas. The car will go into limbo for what seems an eternity until it finally dumps into gear (no slip light because the car has no power at the time). I can almost replicate this at will. I took it to my local Infiniti service center and they had no issue replicating the problem after I took them for a ride and showed them. Unfortunately, there is no fix. They supposedly reported it to Infiniti but seeing as how I have the 5AT there won't be anything coming down the pipe for it.

It's similar to the gear hunting you run across when slamming the throttle, then get off it when it starts to downshift, then slamming the throttle again. Car can't make up its mind what gear to be in and it just thinks about it for a while.

Clarification needed: is your car in 2nd gear when you apply the throttle for the turn...or have you just told it to go into 2nd but it hasn't yet caught up with your request?

Your last paragraph is great. Does anyone think an auto tranny, with fancy electronics or not, will ever be able to handle that input gracefully?
Old 03-24-2011 | 06:26 PM
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Funny how this thread originally addressed VDC response issues when making hard turns, and then gravitated toward the 7 AT, again. The 7 AT is keeps rearing it's "Ugly Head' in the driveability of this car. Posters should also go to the Tranny Reprogramming Thread which seems to have faded of late with new posts, but revived here...

I did have the ECU/TCM reprogamming done per the TSB in January. You can see my posts in the other thread. One note, I just reset the ECU per the Throttle Pushes (it took me at least 10 or tries; instructions on how to do this is in that thread), then drove it like I stole It... she drives a little better, a bit more responsive, a little less lag. But still there. DS - I have given up on. It is definetely not close to way my 07 G35X drove in that Mode.
Old 03-24-2011 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mw09g37
Hey does anyone else experience your throttle just become non responsive during hard turns? I've been pointing fingers at the VDC but I also have the 7speed...

Do 6speed owners have this issue as well? if not, I'm going to look into TCM programming... ha ha
Give me an example.

Radius of said turn?
Cornering speed?
Tire brand and model?
Old 03-25-2011 | 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Almatti
Funny how this thread originally addressed VDC response issues when making hard turns, and then gravitated toward the 7 AT, again. The 7 AT is keeps rearing it's "Ugly Head' in the driveability of this car. Posters should also go to the Tranny Reprogramming Thread which seems to have faded of late with new posts, but revived here...

I did have the ECU/TCM reprogamming done per the TSB in January. You can see my posts in the other thread. One note, I just reset the ECU per the Throttle Pushes (it took me at least 10 or tries; instructions on how to do this is in that thread), then drove it like I stole It... she drives a little better, a bit more responsive, a little less lag. But still there. DS - I have given up on. It is definetely not close to way my 07 G35X drove in that Mode.
My Friend has an 07 and we swapped cars the other day. I must say the 07 has a very sensitive gas pedal compared to my 2010. The gears are alot smoother as well but im not sure if its due to him having over 70k miles on the car or just the design of the tranny. I was driving my car today and tried to replicate the lag that you guys are talking about but i couldn't except for when i go WOT while already cruising. The car will hesitate then take off. i actually like that. It pushes you back into the seat and you can really feel the power of the engine. If I want an immediate response i just know not to floor it. I have to admit though it took awhile for this tranny to grow on me. Coming from my Maxima with 5sp auto, it felt like the car was always switching gears. But the G gets way better gas mileage than my maxima which was rated with the same MPG as the G.
Old 03-25-2011 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Almatti
Funny how this thread originally addressed VDC response issues when making hard turns, and then gravitated toward the 7 AT, again. The 7 AT is keeps rearing it's "Ugly Head' in the driveability of this car. Posters should also go to the Tranny Reprogramming Thread which seems to have faded of late with new posts, but revived here...
This is due to the same broken records blaming everything on the transmission, when in this case it definitely appears to be something that seems to obviously be VDC related.
Old 03-25-2011 | 10:25 AM
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IMO, If you know your car then the lag is irrelevant. It took a little getting used to, but after driving this car for 10 months I hardly even notice the lag because I'm pretty much in tune with the car now. I know exactly when the gears will up/down shift. And now that the car has 15k+ miles the gear hunting is pretty much gone. And no I've never gotten a transmission tsb done on my car.
^ +2 16,000 miles

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Old 03-25-2011 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RISKY GUY
I know there is a tsb on this. My car had some lag issues,all gone now. Much smoother & way more responsive in ds mode.
what dealer, I have the 5 a/t.
they did a transmisson software update.
it was listed as ecm reprograming.
there is a tsb on this.
The only 5AT TSB I'm aware of is ITB10-006a which is in regards to code resolution. I'll have to see if I missed a TSB somewhere.
Old 03-25-2011 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc Collins
Clarification needed: is your car in 2nd gear when you apply the throttle for the turn...or have you just told it to go into 2nd but it hasn't yet caught up with your request?
I have one turn in which I can get it to happen every time (only turn I really do this on). 45mph road and turning 90-degrees to the right. From 45 in manual mode: downshift to 3, apply brakes, initiate turn while downshifting to 2, press throttle. At that point the car hangs out of gear and thinks about it. You can put your foot to the floor and the motor won't even increase RPM's if I recollect properly.

Originally Posted by Marc Collins
Your last paragraph is great. Does anyone think an auto tranny, with fancy electronics or not, will ever be able to handle that input gracefully?
GT-R tranny seems to handle things quite well. They need to give us a free upgrade
Old 03-25-2011 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by maxfinity
My Friend has an 07 and we swapped cars the other day. I must say the 07 has a very sensitive gas pedal compared to my 2010. The gears are alot smoother as well but im not sure if its due to him having over 70k miles on the car or just the design of the tranny. I was driving my car today and tried to replicate the lag that you guys are talking about but i couldn't except for when i go WOT while already cruising. The car will hesitate then take off. i actually like that. It pushes you back into the seat and you can really feel the power of the engine. If I want an immediate response i just know not to floor it. I have to admit though it took awhile for this tranny to grow on me. Coming from my Maxima with 5sp auto, it felt like the car was always switching gears. But the G gets way better gas mileage than my maxima which was rated with the same MPG as the G.
My wife has an '07 sport sedan and you are correct the gas pedal is ultra sensitive. They fixed that issue for '08. The '07 has the 5AT vs your 7AT and they do drive differently.

When I had my '02 Maxima the mileage was a tad better than my G37. Pretty much on par with the wife's '07 G35.
Old 03-25-2011 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by audtatious
I have one turn in which I can get it to happen every time (only turn I really do this on). 45mph road and turning 90-degrees to the right. From 45 in manual mode: downshift to 3, apply brakes, initiate turn while downshifting to 2, press throttle. At that point the car hangs out of gear and thinks about it. You can put your foot to the floor and the motor won't even increase RPM's if I recollect properly.



GT-R tranny seems to handle things quite well. They need to give us a free upgrade
The GT-R doesn't use planetary gears with a torque converter. The GT-R is also a car built exactly for one purpose. People who buy the G want everything from luxury, performance, comfort, etc. Trying to accommodate all those things is tough.
Old 03-26-2011 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike
Give me an example.

Radius of said turn?
Cornering speed?
Tire brand and model?
shoot i dunno. 30ft?
cornering speed i dunno 45?
RE950A 19s

if it is the traction control it's weird... cause I've driven better performance cars with much more complicated traction controls... the throttle doesn't just CUT out. I mean you need RPMs to stick corners... if anything the throttle should hit an optimal RPM and keep revving.
Old 03-26-2011 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by audtatious
I've noticed a similar problem. In manual mode (VDC off), slow down for a hard right and drop the gear down to 2 while turning and push the gas. The car will go into limbo for what seems an eternity until it finally dumps into gear (no slip light because the car has no power at the time). I can almost replicate this at will. I took it to my local Infiniti service center and they had no issue replicating the problem after I took them for a ride and showed them. Unfortunately, there is no fix. They supposedly reported it to Infiniti but seeing as how I have the 5AT there won't be anything coming down the pipe for it.

It's similar to the gear hunting you run across when slamming the throttle, then get off it when it starts to downshift, then slamming the throttle again. Car can't make up its mind what gear to be in and it just thinks about it for a while.
When you down shift in manual, the cars going to rev match first then look at what you're doing with the throttle. It's by design and unfortunately it's not a DSG. Paddles shift slower then DS mode, better off learning how to use the accelerator and brake to control gearing. Trust the car luke...it knows what to do.
Old 03-26-2011 | 10:53 PM
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Turn off the VDC, try it again, and report back. Obviously you're inducing slip, so don't go crazy with it off and report back that your car is totaled.
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Yup, I agree. Drive with it off.

The G isn't a sports car; its just sporty.

45 mph on a 30 ft radius turn is mighty fast Maybe you're carrying more speed than you're realizing.



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