Not that it's quality but I drove a Hyundai with dct and it was absolutely terrible daily driving

 

That's why none of the luxury brands use them anymore.

 

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never fails to start every video seemingly coked out of his mind

 

Mercedes and Porsche come to mind...

 

Mercedes offers them in some entry-level cars to boost their EPA fuel economy numbers. Porsche makes sports cars. The Q60 RS isn't a competitor for either.

 

Seriously get your facts straight. Mercedes uses it in AMG line , Bmw use it in M line which are both anything BUT entry level!...

DCT's are expensive that is the reason why they are not widely used and cheap DCT's suck since quality takes a much bigger hit when you try to produce them cheap.

Problem with infiniti's 7at is that it is dated compared to the current torque converter AT's let alone DCTs. ZF-8 is a significantly better tranny then 7at. Performance wise in everyday driving difference between a zf-8 and dct will not be that big of a deal, zf will be smoother, dct will be fast but a little rough. But once you begin shifting the gears yourself a good DCT has a dreamy direct feel with immediate response.

With proper rev matching and faster locking mechanism it may be possible to make torque converter trannies that match DCTs. I am waiting to see the 10at in the new Camaro zl1 which will also be used in ford vehicles. So far the Nurburgring lap of zl1 is very impressive.

Q60 is a good car, the problem is RS version is to expensive for what it brings. For around 63 K you can not put an outdated tranny in a so called sport version...

 

thats A LOT of gears lol. Its probably great in full auto mode, but I wonder how the drive-ability is in manual mode

 

it is an Infiniti badged Skyline GTR, its just been skewed for luxury rather than sport. hence the 7AT and weight issues and all that concentration and development on technology, ie blind spot warning, the infamous DAS steering, etc etc

 

Could go into why the mercedes MCT is closer to a traditional automatic than a DCT, but its irrelevant. The MB AMG and M models appeal to a different market, where drivers coming from a manual transmission are less likely to complain about the around town driving experience.

The red sport is competition for something like the Lexus RC-F, which is rolling along on an 8 speed ZF automatic. An updated automatic across the entire line is what is needed, not a DCT which will just resut in harshness complaints from americans who have never driven stick.

 

You have part of that right. It's an Infifnit badged Skyline ONLY. Nissan split the Skyline GTR into 2 different cars after the R34.

Infiniti G35,G37/Q60 = Nissan Skyline in Japan.

Featured 2011 Nissan Skyline 370GT Type SP at J-Spec Imports

Nissan GTR World car.

 

Yes and you also have part of the story as well, Skylines dont just come out as plain Skyline, they still come in GT and GTT formats depending on their engine formulas, GTR Skylines can still exist if they have GTR spec engines, like the Q60's VR twin turbo, its just that Skyline GTR powertrains are being skewed for luxury, while Non Skyline GTRs, the stand alone R35 GTR is being utilized more for motor sports. It's a split in branding as well as luxury and motorsport focuses.

 

RC-F was supposed to be direct competitor to M4 but it failed. Two of the main reasons were weight and the 8 speed slushbox.

Now q60 RS is a competitor to RC-f with the same weight, less power and an inferior transmission...

 

The Q60 does not compete in the same space as the RC-F...

It competes in the same space as the 440i, S5, C43 AMG and such...it is performance oriented, but not sport performance oriented like the M's, RS, F, V, or AMG-heavy.

As it goes (as a direct competitor to BMW cars)

2.0l Turbo competes with BMW X20i cars
3.0l Turbo (300) competes with BMW X30i cars
3.0l Red Sport competes with BMW X40i cars...

 

I found the DCT box in the Audi S3 to be stellar and not harsh at all. It really helped make that car. And it's substantially quicker than the Q60RS with two less cylinders and 100 less hp.

As much as I enjoy my current ride, I think Infiniti and Nissan has a habit of recycling a lot of parts, putting it in a shiny wrapper and sprinkling a lot of marketing hyperbole on top. The cars are generally sound but often fall just short of enthusiast's expectations.

 

SavageGeese dude says that the BMW's Zf8 AT shifts .10 msec or sec not sure, faster than the GTR's DCT. INstead of borrowing an engine from Mercedes for thier 2.0t, they should have waited until their own inhouse 2.0t VCT engine was released and instead borrow the Zf8 AT from BMW! Makes more sense at least. And at 4,000 lbs in AWD, this car needs to lay off the carbs.