Ape Factory

iTrader: (3)

Actually the M2 offers more bang for the buck and is going to heartily outperform even the RS coupe unfortunately and come in at a lower starting price with more amenities. That car has an e-diff and available DCT. And the Audi TTRS is coming too...proper AWD, electronic diffs, 400hp, 7 speed S-tronic and an estimated price of 60K. Looks like it'll be about a full second faster to 60 than the RS despite having one less cylinder and one less turbo.

gill1606

Yeah but does it have Direct adaptive steering? lol just kidding

sdwilly

Though to be honest being north of the border I wouldn't recommend a M car, unless you don't plan on driving at all in winter. Even with really good snow tires, they aren't that great in snow/ice. Now the Audi TTRS, that would be a fun winter car.

gill1606

Stillen Test Drive impressions

gill1606

That Audi is making an impressive amount of HP and TQ just from 5 cylinders, and that 3.7 0-60 is because of that HP coupled with the less weight: 3,307 lbs, over the Infiniti's 3895 lbs (almost 600 lb difference), but it only has 2 seats, no wonder it weighs considerably less.

Although the M2 is coming in at 365 HP, but that Q50 is hauling serious *** to weigh almost 500 lbs more and still just be .3 sec slower.

ThebigJ

+1

There is nothing good I can say about the new Q60 in terms of bang for buck. That is pretty much why lots of people are disappointed. For the same price loaded , I definitely would go with M2 with DCT.

But even M2 is a hard sell when I can actually find a 2016 fully loaded Camaro 2ss for $44K since when equipped M2 comes $59K. Although camaro does not have dct, it comes with the best V8 around and gets great gas milage for the power. Unlike q60 both cars have amazing handling (both have all the goodies including torque vectoring!!!). And for the visibility argument please note that 2ss comes with blind spot monitoring for that price...

Sorry,you don't make a sports car by just bumping the hp by 100 and calling it a day. Instead of getting the 2 liter engine from Mercedes they should have gotten the 7speed DCT for the RS model.

KAHBOOM

iTrader: (4)

I've had my eye on the M2 as an option vs the RS400. For those of us who like to keep vehicles past warranty- I think the additional selling point for the RS400 would be reliably. I'm thinking this is where the Q60 should excel. The basic platform has already been used in the Q50 3.7 Although the engine is new- we'll have to see how that plays out.
I just keep hearing about too many nightmare stories (primarily electrical) about BMWs as they age.

Danmangto

M2? Good luck once you have to pay for routine maintenance, brake jobs/etc that are double price of the Infiniti. Higher insurance. Guarantee you infiniti is far cheaper to maintain long term. M2 only good if you lease it and dump it in 3 years with a built in maint. program.

Camaro is a 2016, Infiniti is an all new design for 2017. Give it some time and the Q60 coupe real out the door prices will drop. You always pay to play on a new design.

As for the Camaro, no all wheel drive, so in the northeast/New England can't drive it year round in snow like the AWD infiniti. You could, but it's terrible. In the rain the AWD infiniti is far superior. My GTO in rain can be terrible sometimes if you have to get out in a hurry.

Yes, visibility.. every drive a Camaro? Terrible visibility.. with those short squat side windows... my Current G37 Coupe which has some visibility issues is day/night comparison, way better. Blind spot monitoring still doesn't make up for common sense/visibility. It doesn't always work.

Gas milage on a Camaro? Maybe on the sticker/EPA tests it's impressive, but real world esp in the northeast is another issue. I have a LS2 GTO and I don't get anywhere near the 16 city, try 12 or 13. I don't drive with a heavy foot either.

The G37/Q60 were never sports cars... touring coupes.. If you want a sports car, buy a Corvette.

Danmangto

Yep, I would only lease BMW. A friend of mine just had to put $5k in repairs/maint. into their 2008 that they keep well maintained and only has 70k miles. Routine maint. like brake jobs.. double price of my G37..

Ape Factory

iTrader: (3)

That's cold, man!

jasonviper

M2 does have more performance hardware but not more amenities. That thing is stripped down imo. You get like zero tech on that car and the safety features are lacking as well. Also, Infinitis won't sell at MSRP the BMW and Audi will or very close to it. The Infiniti is most likely best bang for buck.

Ape Factory

iTrader: (3)

It's not stripped down. I thought so too til I looked at the standard equipment list.
BMW M2 Coupe - Features & Specs - Standard Features - BMW North America

You basically have to add the Premium Plus package on the Infiniti to catch up and by then the cost difference is starting to really add up. I do wish the BMW came with the backup camera and parking sensors standard but a $1400 package is easier to swallow than $2.2K and change. Plus I don't have to add the annoying Driver's Assist package just to get a car that has some steering feedback.

I still like the Infiniti's interior more than the BMW, hands down. And I won't own a BMW without a comprehensive full wrap warranty, LOL.

User 122320

iTrader: (2)

my 2014 Q50 did and it was garbage. Will never own a car with electric steering ever again. I don't care if Nissan spent billions making DAS 2.0 feel as close to hydraulic as possible.

What's next for Nissan? DAB? Electronic braking. lol

gill1606

They are trying too hard to go "into the future" I guess, with digitally autonomous cars

User 122320

iTrader: (2)

They wasted a lot of money.

Just like they did with inTouch infotainment system which was a complete and utter flop in the 2014 Q50. The 2015 received a faster processor but it still wasn't all that.

They would have save a lot of time and effort just by going with Android Auto.

And they need to dump NavTeq and just go with Google Maps. FREE UPDATES and better Maps....


--------

Ford, Hyundai and Kia offers FREE upgrade to Android Auto to replace their crappy system.