OMG!!! What a Beast!!!
04-17-2009, 02:27 PM
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I'm fully aware of the car's redline, but it just that simple the car has no feeling of acceleration it literally feels like u have lifted ur foot off the gas 5k. This maybe the feeling to me since I owned an S2000, but even my eclipse & rx-7 didnt exhibit this feeling to me. I have always felt this way about the VQ motor even the in the G35 both rev up & no rev up motors. There is simply no go after 5k. I actually looked down @ the tach the first couple of times to make sure something wasn't wrong because I thought the car had stopped accelerating...lol...
04-17-2009, 03:00 PM
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I'm fully aware of the car's redline, but it just that simple the car has no feeling of acceleration it literally feels like u have lifted ur foot off the gas 5k. This maybe the feeling to me since I owned an S2000, but even my eclipse & rx-7 didnt exhibit this feeling to me. I have always felt this way about the VQ motor even the in the G35 both rev up & no rev up motors. There is simply no go after 5k. I actually looked down @ the tach the first couple of times to make sure something wasn't wrong because I thought the car had stopped accelerating...lol...
04-17-2009, 03:10 PM
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I think the G is plenty of "beast" for what I want out of a car. It's far from slow, lots of bells and whistles, really interesting technology under the hood and it's an absolutely beautiful car. I just don't see any point in comparing it to a 'Vette or even the Lancer EVO because they're just so different in concept and execution. I think all of them are fantastic cars, I just wanted what I get from the G37.
04-17-2009, 03:18 PM
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My buddy has an '09 'Vette, MSRP about the same as my G37x. Well over 400 HP in that 'Vette, but it's really an entirely different animal than the G. It's got an entirely different "purpose," so to speak, as a car.
I think the G is plenty of "beast" for what I want out of a car. It's far from slow, lots of bells and whistles, really interesting technology under the hood and it's an absolutely beautiful car. I just don't see any point in comparing it to a 'Vette or even the Lancer EVO because they're just so different in concept and execution. I think all of them are fantastic cars, I just wanted what I get from the G37.
I think the G is plenty of "beast" for what I want out of a car. It's far from slow, lots of bells and whistles, really interesting technology under the hood and it's an absolutely beautiful car. I just don't see any point in comparing it to a 'Vette or even the Lancer EVO because they're just so different in concept and execution. I think all of them are fantastic cars, I just wanted what I get from the G37.
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04-17-2009, 03:31 PM
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Nope, I don't think that's it at all. I think at 4000-6000 rpm the horsepower really starts to come on and that's what I'm feeling. I know the torque curve is flat as a pancake because of the VVEL and that's really neat to see on all the dyno graphs, but I'm starting to realize it causes other issues now.
Instead of going to any rpm between 4000 and 6000 rpm in 2nd gear per your test, go to as low an rpm in 2nd gear as you can and hit it. If you stay in the throttle through the whole rpm range you can tell there is a definate pick up in acceleration around 5000 rpm. You already admitted the torque doesn't change throughout the rpm band. At 5000 rpm the engine finally started making some horsepower and the thing just takes off.
Whether or not the torque is smooth or the engine has a flat torque curve or whatever, the car is low on torque.
Instead of going to any rpm between 4000 and 6000 rpm in 2nd gear per your test, go to as low an rpm in 2nd gear as you can and hit it. If you stay in the throttle through the whole rpm range you can tell there is a definate pick up in acceleration around 5000 rpm. You already admitted the torque doesn't change throughout the rpm band. At 5000 rpm the engine finally started making some horsepower and the thing just takes off.
Whether or not the torque is smooth or the engine has a flat torque curve or whatever, the car is low on torque.
You'll break the tires loose if you stab at the rightmost pedal had enough, assuming you have VDC off. Yes, with the sport package, you will still break the tires loose.
You agree with me that the torque curve is almost flat, but you claim to feel a definate pickup in acceleration around 5000 rpm? Any increase you feel would be a change in torque.
This car doesn't have VTEC...
I've yet to see how having 240+ ft/lbs of torque for a 7000 rpm range is 'not enough'... Remember, a 1000CC motorcycle is making 75ft/lbs of torque, and will spank you silly. A F1 car makes about 200 ft/lbs of torque, and again, same result.
Torque is twisting force. Horsepower is work (twisting force) over a period of time. Horsepower is what makes you fast (very very crude assumption, but a true one).
I give me two 2 foot long 2x4's and I'll give you 300 ft/lbs of torque. How fast do you think I can move a 3700 lb G?
04-17-2009, 05:39 PM
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04-17-2009, 07:30 PM
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What you "feel" is not scientific proof, unless you came back with machine measured reading that the G force is less above 5K RPM. Chance are your body is already in motion therefore you feel less pull.
04-17-2009, 08:23 PM
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Hmmmm, maybe I'm not saying things right or maybe I'm just reading everything wrong (which is more likely the case because I'm not that smart).
What I'm saying is, the car does not seem to have much power under 5000 rpm. 5000 rpm and up, the car is very responsive (pulls hard, fast, quick, strong). The "increased horsepower at 5000rpm vs lower rpms", is exactly what my arguement was. That and the fact the car doesn't have much torque. If the car had more torque, there wouldn't be a sudden surge in power at 5000 rpm.
What I'm saying is, the car does not seem to have much power under 5000 rpm. 5000 rpm and up, the car is very responsive (pulls hard, fast, quick, strong). The "increased horsepower at 5000rpm vs lower rpms", is exactly what my arguement was. That and the fact the car doesn't have much torque. If the car had more torque, there wouldn't be a sudden surge in power at 5000 rpm.
04-17-2009, 11:31 PM
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I wish people would stop saying thinks like "any car with 300+" hp is fast. That's just silly, what you need to look at is power to weight. 300 hp in our cars is NOT fast, just quick, our cars are too heavy for the power they have.
