Let's face it- it's a DISASTER!!!
07-04-2007 | 12:25 PM
#31
Originally Posted by Bluestreak
All the anticipation...the promise it showed at the NY auto show unveiling...the interior upgrades...great looking brakes...330 HP...all for nothing. With 3 of my 4 monthly magazines in at this point (just waiting on Automobile), the results are unanimous (despite motor trends deceiving caption): the 335 kicks the crap out of the G37. The numbers are ugly in every category except price. We all know the G35 was better than the 330- then BMW ups the ante and Infiniti folds. I'm so disappointed. Even those fancy new 4 piston imitation Brembos can't beat the BMW brakes. What a disgrace. My 2003 6MT may be a bit luxury challenged (center stack with titanium paint before they started using real aluminum), but when my friend with his 330i six-speed coupe and I test drove eachother's cars a few years ago, there was no argument over power, speed, brakes, curves, throws, and style. He knew I had him, and he paid almost $9K more! My '03 6MT is a Z with Brembos and a back seat for my kids, but the G37 is what exactly? It's a compromise representing Infiniti's cowardice- having challenged BMW and then backing down. With 50K miles on my '03, I may start thinking about trading in for an 07, which I bet they'll be dealing on soon to make room for the '08's. At least the G35 stayed true to it's mission. Some of you guys can put on a happy faces, but I dare any of you to honestly tell me that your heart didn't sink with disappointment when you read those numbers. What a shame.
Agreed 100%- looks like Nissan is putting their real sports cars under the Nissan brand and Infiniti gets the luxury cars with a dash of sport. Can't really blame them because Infiniti is supposed to be a luxury brand. I heard a rumor that Infiniti is now targeting Lexus instead of BMW, even though Lexus and now Cadillac are targeting BMW- LOL! It would suck having a GT-R serviced at a Nissan dealer where they don't even give out loaners.
07-04-2007 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DlfnRdr
About the only thing the 335 is better at right now is straight line performance. Adding HP and twist with a chip fixes its other deficiencies how?
Adding a big honkin SC or TT's to a G37 will more than fix its low end TQ and weight issues so I fail to see how a 335, even a procede chipped 335 could stand up to a G37 pushing 400 ponies.
Adding a big honkin SC or TT's to a G37 will more than fix its low end TQ and weight issues so I fail to see how a 335, even a procede chipped 335 could stand up to a G37 pushing 400 ponies.
Im also sorry to say but the g37 doesnt stack up at all to the 335, and all of you guys on the furom saying that the cars don't compare, than tell me why all the magazines are comparing the two. infiniti went after the 335 that had to be. Im sure the 335 isn't in a class on its own jus because its 10k more. i love the g and yes it will sell like hot cakes when it drops but before the g was an enthusiast vehicle with a touch of luxury. if the car sold soo much before, why would infiniti change its direction now? Are the leaving speed for its parent company and the 09 z. i can say it and i know some of you aren't going to agree but the new g wont be the bad boy on the street. personaly i think the g only beats the 335 in looks.
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07-04-2007 | 12:42 PM
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personaly i thing the g only beats the 335 in looks.
And based on history and the problems that turbochargers can bring, I don't think I'd be going out on a limb by suggesting that he G37 will also be a lot more reliable than a 335.
And based on history and the problems that turbochargers can bring, I don't think I'd be going out on a limb by suggesting that he G37 will also be a lot more reliable than a 335.
07-04-2007 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluestreak
OK, so maybe I was a little over the top on this. I just got motor trend and car and driver yesterday, and my reaction wasn't good. But still, Car and driver tested stick shift versions, and those numbers aren't even close. Motor trend tested automatics, where they're closer. Remember also, though, that Motor Trend named the G car of the year in '03, and have always had a soft spot for it. That was one of the main reasons I got mine (along with being in awe of it at the 2002 NY auto show). I haven't been disappointed a single day owning it.
As far as the luxury items and improvements like 4WAS, the '07 already has most of them (I've never been annoyed about the seat switches). '07 performance was already improved over the '03 , so I was expecting a real performance step forward with a new model, and that didn't materialize. I agree that the 08 looks great, the interior is now truly luxury class, and I expect they'll sell a ton of them (probably even to me in the future), but honestly I was expecting more given the impact the first generation G had on the marketplace.
It's really not about envy at BMW, but more like Ford vs. Chevy during the pony car wars prior to the mid-70's gas crunch (unlike many of you, I was around for that). You're either one or the other, and hate it if you feel the other guy has gotten the edge. For you New Yorkers, it's like Yankees vs. Mets. I've become an infiniti guy, and I've always been a Yankee fan, and clearly, right now, the edge belongs to BMW and the Mets.
As far as the luxury items and improvements like 4WAS, the '07 already has most of them (I've never been annoyed about the seat switches). '07 performance was already improved over the '03 , so I was expecting a real performance step forward with a new model, and that didn't materialize. I agree that the 08 looks great, the interior is now truly luxury class, and I expect they'll sell a ton of them (probably even to me in the future), but honestly I was expecting more given the impact the first generation G had on the marketplace.
It's really not about envy at BMW, but more like Ford vs. Chevy during the pony car wars prior to the mid-70's gas crunch (unlike many of you, I was around for that). You're either one or the other, and hate it if you feel the other guy has gotten the edge. For you New Yorkers, it's like Yankees vs. Mets. I've become an infiniti guy, and I've always been a Yankee fan, and clearly, right now, the edge belongs to BMW and the Mets.
It's a car afterall, and if it doesn't meet my expectations I will move on. Nothing to get all freaked out about....
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07-04-2007 | 01:35 PM
#37
Originally Posted by Bluestreak
All the anticipation...the promise it showed at the NY auto show unveiling...the interior upgrades...great looking brakes...330 HP...all for nothing. With 3 of my 4 monthly magazines in at this point (just waiting on Automobile), the results are unanimous (despite motor trends deceiving caption): the 335 kicks the crap out of the G37. The numbers are ugly in every category except price. We all know the G35 was better than the 330- then BMW ups the ante and Infiniti folds. I'm so disappointed. Even those fancy new 4 piston imitation Brembos can't beat the BMW brakes. What a disgrace. My 2003 6MT may be a bit luxury challenged (center stack with titanium paint before they started using real aluminum), but when my friend with his 330i six-speed coupe and I test drove eachother's cars a few years ago, there was no argument over power, speed, brakes, curves, throws, and style. He knew I had him, and he paid almost $9K more! My '03 6MT is a Z with Brembos and a back seat for my kids, but the G37 is what exactly? It's a compromise representing Infiniti's cowardice- having challenged BMW and then backing down. With 50K miles on my '03, I may start thinking about trading in for an 07, which I bet they'll be dealing on soon to make room for the '08's. At least the G35 stayed true to it's mission. Some of you guys can put on a happy faces, but I dare any of you to honestly tell me that your heart didn't sink with disappointment when you read those numbers. What a shame.
Now the g37 did step up to bmw 335i class wich isnt luxury its more sport so if the g37 is going to step it should have been more sport the hp is there but this thing is too fcken heavy they should have cut that down.. now the g37 does have potential but the g37 is slow compared to espically in manual... i mean the thing has a twin turbo inline v6 3.0 engine.. its GONE!!! the g37 has 3.7 liter v6 enigine u cant compare that to the 335i espicailly running in the mid-high 5s..
He is righ infiniti stepped up and foldedd they should have stepped up to something more luxurious than more sport.. dont get me wrong the g37 is a gorgeous car im prob going to grab one for my self just bc the money situation is 8k but this is how you should look at it g37 has folded on the bet 335i wins..
g37 luxury/sport 335i SPORTT!!
07-04-2007 | 01:55 PM
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What if infiniti comes out with an all out sports car in the 45k-50k range? Maybe they are doing this for a reason who knows. EVen though they are a luxury brand, even lexus is coming out with a supercar LF-A, and the IS-F. Maybe infiniti is saving something for us later on. I mean lets look into the future, what would be next? An all out sports car for them is a must. I think we will here news of an addition to their lineup due for 2010 or so.
07-04-2007 | 03:22 PM
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Wow. For a car that costs 10k less than a 335i, I would hardly call it a disaster. I went to the BMW dealer the other day and saw a 335i coupe with a sticker of $58k. Obviously fully, fully loaded, but christ that is over E46 M3 territory. The E90 and E92 have gone seriously upmarket with regards to price whereas the G37 has remained the value leader in the category. If you want the performance, buy a Corvette and stop bitching about the G37.
07-04-2007 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by muscarel
I was not clear. My point was that the OP was calling the car a disappointment. Alot of that has to do with the perception that performance is the end all to a car's success. I was pointing out that if that was the case, BMW would only sell 335 coupes. They don't - they sell a whole lot more 328s. Should we consider the 328 a disappointment because it's slower at the same price point as the G37? Many people buy cars for alot of different reasons. Infiniti knows this. They created a car that has very good performance, tech, reliability, and cost. That's why they will sell alot - just like BMW sells alot more 328s over 335s.
People that put the 335s performance above all and at any cost are a minority of the overall public as is evident is sales figures.
And for the comment about selling more Honda Civics - that supports my point as mentioned above. Sorry if my post wasn't clear.
People that put the 335s performance above all and at any cost are a minority of the overall public as is evident is sales figures.
And for the comment about selling more Honda Civics - that supports my point as mentioned above. Sorry if my post wasn't clear.
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And then you can watch your engine explode even sooner
07-04-2007 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by muscarel
I was not clear. My point was that the OP was calling the car a disappointment. Alot of that has to do with the perception that performance is the end all to a car's success. I was pointing out that if that was the case, BMW would only sell 335 coupes. They don't - they sell a whole lot more 328s. Should we consider the 328 a disappointment because it's slower at the same price point as the G37? Many people buy cars for alot of different reasons. Infiniti knows this. They created a car that has very good performance, tech, reliability, and cost. That's why they will sell alot - just like BMW sells alot more 328s over 335s.
People that put the 335s performance above all and at any cost are a minority of the overall public as is evident is sales figures.
And for the comment about selling more Honda Civics - that supports my point as mentioned above. Sorry if my post wasn't clear.
People that put the 335s performance above all and at any cost are a minority of the overall public as is evident is sales figures.
And for the comment about selling more Honda Civics - that supports my point as mentioned above. Sorry if my post wasn't clear.
07-04-2007 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DlfnRdr
Any gearheads out there care to guess what you could do with a g37 and almost $10,000 worth of mods? Pretty sure it'll smoke that silly bimmer.
07-04-2007 | 06:15 PM
#43
Originally Posted by frshgcoupe
What if infiniti comes out with an all out sports car in the 45k-50k range? Maybe they are doing this for a reason who knows. EVen though they are a luxury brand, even lexus is coming out with a supercar LF-A, and the IS-F.
As for the G37, everyone will have their opinions. I went to Stillen when they were showing off the G37. When I sat inside, I loved it. It was comfortable, everything was easy to reach and it was pleasing to the eye. The outside, however, reminds me of a cross between a Hyundai Tiberon and a Lexus SC400 and just looked like mush but, again, thats just me.
As for creating a car in between the GTR and the G37, its probably safe to say that this also wont happen. The G37 will handle those interested in luxo-sport, the high-end Z's will handle the affordable sport crowd, leaving the higher-end sport enthusiasts going after the GTR. The remaining niche for a sports car with greater than 330HP, a price tag less than $50,000, etc, would simply be too small to market to, imho.
07-04-2007 | 06:26 PM
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Disaster?
In that case, the 335i is just a disaster too. The BMW enthusiast acted exactly the same way in their forums.
And guess what... now they love it.
As far as performance, I wouldnt consider 4 tenths of a second (0.4) slower a disaster.
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In that case, the 335i is just a disaster too. The BMW enthusiast acted exactly the same way in their forums.
And guess what... now they love it.
As far as performance, I wouldnt consider 4 tenths of a second (0.4) slower a disaster.
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07-04-2007 | 07:40 PM
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Theres really nothing wrong with the g37 as a whole. The car is nice looking...interior is great...and the technology is also awesome. On paper 330 hp sounds great, 270 tq is eh. The only thing that i can say disappointed me, especially being an 07 sedan owner is that knowing the speed of my car...seen some mag times of anywhere from 13.8-13.9 i was just expecting a little bit better on the numbers side. The fact that mag times for my car are actually lower than the g37 kind of kills me actually. Straight line speed is not everything, as both my g35 coupe and now my 07 sedan arent that fast...but they do move and I love the overall package of the car.
Im sure the g37 is going to be an awesome machine, but seriosly we all know they had the 335i in there sights, they def missed there target slightly on the performance end.
Im sure the g37 is going to be an awesome machine, but seriosly we all know they had the 335i in there sights, they def missed there target slightly on the performance end.