All the anticipation...the promise it showed at the NY auto show unveiling...the interior upgrades...great looking brakes...330 HP...all for nothing. With 3 of my 4 monthly magazines in at this point (just waiting on Automobile), the results are unanimous (despite motor trends deceiving caption): the 335 kicks the crap out of the G37. The numbers are ugly in every category except price. We all know the G35 was better than the 330- then BMW ups the ante and Infiniti folds. I'm so disappointed. Even those fancy new 4 piston imitation Brembos can't beat the BMW brakes. What a disgrace. My 2003 6MT may be a bit luxury challenged (center stack with titanium paint before they started using real aluminum), but when my friend with his 330i six-speed coupe and I test drove eachother's cars a few years ago, there was no argument over power, speed, brakes, curves, throws, and style. He knew I had him, and he paid almost $9K more! My '03 6MT is a Z with Brembos and a back seat for my kids, but the G37 is what exactly? It's a compromise representing Infiniti's cowardice- having challenged BMW and then backing down. With 50K miles on my '03, I may start thinking about trading in for an 07, which I bet they'll be dealing on soon to make room for the '08's. At least the G35 stayed true to it's mission. Some of you guys can put on a happy faces, but I dare any of you to honestly tell me that your heart didn't sink with disappointment when you read those numbers. What a shame.

 

Well you really have to take a look at the G37 in perspective. Nissan is coming out with a new 350z and the new GTR in the next two years. BMW has two cars in the coupe world realistically and that is the 335i and the M3. With the current 335i price its taking up the market for the M3. Hence when the new M3 comes out it will be in the 911 range. To put it shortly the G37 is not meant to compete with the 335i because in all actuality a price difference of 10k puts them in different categories.

 

Also, there is plenty of potential for improvement in the G37 as the model years progress. This introductory version of the engine is probably the de-tuned mode so I would not be surprised to see 340 or 350hp next year. I would say the 335i is more of a blunder than the G37. They can't easily crank 300+hp out of the aged straight six so they bolt on some turbos and ask for more problems/less reliability at $8K to $10K more than the G37.

Doug

 

what can i do to increase a g37s horsepower now?

 

Wow where did you come from? lol. I'm perfectly fine with the G37 considering that Infiniti made the G37 into a luxury grand tourer rather than a test track car. Let me ask you this... what did you expect/hope for the 0-60 time to be? If you expected low 5s or high 4s... then that shows you that you and Infiniti had different hopes and goals for the G37. Infiniti EXPECTED a time of mid-5s... and guess what... that's exactly what they're getting. Do you know what Infiniti's mission was with the G37? If you know exactly or can give valid reasons (and not BS stuff)... then please tell me. If you don't, then don't judge what Infiniti has done if you don't even know why they did it. From what I can tell... Infiniti has a success with the G37. They're aiming for the luxury sports coupe market... what did you think they were aiming for? Enthusiasts? If Infiniti was making the G37 for enthusiasts then you can bash them all you want...

Look at the Edmunds's full road test review of the G37. Also read the second opinion... it should help clear things up for you.

Also.... the car may be an absolute disaster for YOU... but for the general luxury sports coupe market, I believe it will be a big hit. Infiniti knows the market better than any of us considering that they have to make sales from it.

 

I thought that the GTR was going to be in the M3 space- guess we need to see how that shakes out when final pricing is released. Regardless, since the G's introduction in '03, the price difference with the top 3 series has always been between $5-$10K, depending on equipment. At that time, as well as now, the car mags have put these cars up against eachother. The difference (problem) now is, the 335 has vastly improved performance over the 330, where the G37 has not significantly improved performance over the G35. Regarding the engine, by all accounts the 335 turbos are lag free, and help produce torque numbers that support more aggressive gear ratios for a car that's almost 200 lbs lighter. With a heavy car like the G37, I'd rather have the low-end torque than the extra high-end horsepower any day. I guess we'll have to wait and see if the turbos hurt reliability. No matter how I slice this, it still looks like Infiniti had BMW on the run, and then let them get away (remember after the G first came out, BMW rushed to get a 6speed shorter throw stick instead of their 5 spd longer throw, they bumped HP by 10, and changed their exhaust note).

 

I've seen you post this several times now. When did Infiniti ever state publicly what they expected the car to do? I guarantee you any published numbers came out after Infiniti already had an idea of what it would do.

And to be quite honest, your entire point makes no sense to me. Of course the company knows what to expect: the engineers know what they're doing.

I won't go so far as to say that Infiniti completely missed the target, but the undoubtedly missed the target for a large number of current owners. And frankly that's sad.

 

at least test drive it before you do all this bashing based on magazine numbers.

 

lol...what do you expect ppl to say to a car that hasn't even been released yet?

and a disaster? hardly.

 

"With this car, Infiniti's estimate of mid 5-second 0-60 times seems entirely believable." That's a quote from Car Connection's road test of the G37 on page 3. I don't see a reason why they would lie about that. If they did, then my mistake.

When you say that they missed the target for a large number of current owners... do you mean owners on this forum?? or world-wide? and what do you mean by a large number because that "large number" can be considered small when compared to the entire market to Infiniti. Obviously Infiniti can't make a car that pleases everybody... so they just have to rely on hopefully bringing more people into the company and I believe with this product... they sure will. It may be sad that Infiniti missed the target for a large number of current owners... but how big of a concern was it for them? I surely don't know.

 

Brother... if your chief concern is owning a great luxury sports coupe that can hang with the best in its class, at a price that says you don't care to spend a premium for a brand's "prestige", then stick with the new G.
If your chief concern is what your buddy with the BMW will think, then the two of you should just dispense with the charade, each drop your pants and compare your wee-wees... cuz dude, that's what it sounds like it's really all about to you, the way you say it.

F##K BMW! If the 335 didn't exist you would love the G37, right? Who gives a crap what your BMW-driving friend thinks. If Infiniti as a brand connects with a certain type, it's drivers who can think for themselves, aren't swayed by hype and aren't intimidated by the merits of another car.

The G37 will rock!

 

The G37 turned into nothing... when? because it doesn't perform (speed) as well as the 335i? I didn't know that was what Infiniti was concerned with... making it... faster than the BMW...

I'll take your dare and honestly say that I wasn't disappointed with the numbers coming from the car magazines. I'm never going to go to the test track and I'm not going to be racing anybody on pedestrian/industrial streets... why would it matter to me? I'm assuming that the official 5AT time will be 5.5 for 0-60 and 13.9 @ 102mph... that's plenty for me considering that I'm just a CASUAL driver.

 

man...totally agree with you...I am saving the money for 335i ....it's fast and cool , and only needed to spend $1300 for procede chip to compete with 07 911 carrera S

 

335i can crank up to 380hp and 400 torque for only $1300, what a good deal !!

 

I keep hearing all this BS about Procede chips and how they're only $1300...but when you add that to the 8K premium to get the 335 in the first place, not much of a bargain. Any gearheads out there care to guess what you could do with a g37 and almost $10,000 worth of mods? Pretty sure it'll smoke that silly bimmer.