skaterbasist

If you're talking about performance, I think you're mistaking torque for hp.

Feeling that low-end torque is great for daily driving, but when it comes to the track, HP is what counts.

Torque does not win races

.

FAST1

But that's exactly what I've been saying over and over and over again, but apparently no one reads carefully. Torque for the street and HP for the race track. An F1 car has very little torque and tremendous HP, but who cares since they spend all of their time at around 19K RPM. Most of us who use our cars as daily commuters spend the vast majority of our times below 5K RPM. I like owning cars that will push me back into my seat at speeds that I'm likely to be driving on a consistent basis. The G35 doesn't but I was hoping that the G37 would. Based on the G37's weight and 270 lb/ft of torque it won't either.

muscarel

Did you expect that the new G was going to go from 258/268 lb-ft of torque at PEAK to 350 or something? If not, what could have been expected? I was thinking 280-285 for the increase in displacement. Would have made little difference down low. Let's say the magical 300 was hit (never a possibility) at PEAK. Would that have made you feel better? Would the car have been THAT different or just less satisfying when you did rev it out? What if the torque curve was less flat but the car still had 300 lb-ft of torque - do you think the car would have had better punch down low?

An F1 car has almost NO torque relative to horsepower, so your example is weak. The G37 has 330 HP and 270 ft-lbs of torque. It doesn't put out 100 lb-ft of torque and needs to rev to 15k rpm to make any useful power. This new engine makes good power thoroughout the rev range.

b00stedjustin

is low 14's and high 13's slow? I don't think so.

Zee2G

What's funny is the complaint of the VQ35DE for many years has been its lack of excitement from the engine in the upper revs. Everyone including myself loves the down low torque of the engine, but quite a few of us would prefer more top end, less vibration, a more european or proper JDM revving engine.

I remember reading a comparison between an RX8 and 350z. The editors basically picked the RX8 because the engine had different character as you spun through it, where as the VQ in their minds was boring.

Now with the revup and finally the HR they have taken steps to address these issues.

The VQ has always been known for its torque. Compare it to some Euro engines with high HP, the torque is nowhere near HP, much less then the VQ.

You are not losing any torque, you are gaining torque and a flatter curve. You are also gaining 50+ hp over the DE.


The VQ has always been a great compromise. It still is. For the majority of enthusiasts, the upper revs and the overall feel of a high spinning engine will always be paramount.

InfinitiFreak

I was thinking the same thing. You have to love that 55 hp increase over the DE!!!

Zee2G

I really think for us DE owners, the difference will be very much tangible. I could certainly feel the difference in the 3.5 HR over the DE.

We are losing nothing! We are gaining so much. The VQ (I know some of you hardcore Nissan enthusiasts will point out to some older versions which did rev freely) but I am just talking VQ 350z/G35+ was always regarded as having almost v8 like torque from its engine. I don't remember any other engine being in its class being so constantly well regarded for its torque.


I don't feel Nissan deserves any flaming for TQ on this new engine. There is only so much you can do, and again this has always been regarded as having the best torque available in its range. What more can they do?

I am sure the M50 will have plenty of torque

KAHBOOM

iTrader: (4)

FOLKS! It's all about the power under the curve. People keep separating HP and torque as if they are some separate force. They are connected- you can't make HP w/o torque. For example the 03-04 G has more "peak" torque. But the 05-06 G Revup motor has a longer period of sustained torque- particularly in the upper RPMs . If you compare the torque of the two motors on a dyno, you will see that the 05-06 has more torque above 6000 RPM. Thus the combination of torque and engine speed produces more HP.
But it is the area under the curve that makes an engine perform best.

Zee2G

+1

Same can be said from the revup to the HR

Hypnoz

Exactly.

FAST1 I think you are mistaken. You want a great torque curve and a good peak figure. I know I red a 350z review when they first came out that said the VQ made 200tq and 1200rpm (i believe). That is great, the VQ has always had good low-end torque when is great for city driving. Now it will have a killer top-end to compliment the low end. Take an 07 Z for a drive because they G will have similar hp:weight ratio and similar torque:weight. I haven't heard anyone say that it is lacking anywhere in the RPM's.

You can take a look at turbo cars and notice their great torque ratings. Some of those torque curves on those cars are horrible down low for city driving, while their peak numbers are great.

FAST1

In the past you were right about the turbo cars but they've fixed that problem many years ago when they went with a twin turbo rather than the one large turbo. So they spoil up much faster and you get the torque from around 2000 RPM.

Let me try another approach. In around five months the G37 will be available for test driving. All I'm saying is that I don't believe that it will be that much quicker than a G35. I was hoping for 335 performance since the G37 came out a year later than the 335, but that won't happen IMO. I hope I'm wrong.

KAHBOOM

iTrader: (4)

^Ya I agree with that. Turbo motors have come a long way for sure.

htownboy

Isn't thread racing so much fun!
WOOHOO!!!

kraqcommando

the new auto on this thing will match if not be better than MT

dbeare6804

One of the only benefits of living near OK, is the turnpike. Pisses me off to have to pay a toll. So, I launch hard out of the gate... 0-75mph. TAG F1 Sport Chrono clocks my 0-60 for what that is worth.

Thus far, BABYING MY '05 G35 Coupe 6MT with traction control enabled, Tanabe Y pipe, Motordyne MREV+ package, SUS filter, and 18 in michelin pilot sport a/s tires averages 5.5 0-60.

Same, michelin pilot sports, 0-60 5.3-6 sec 0-60.

The Z will do better. But, the G35 is one nice ride (had one oil burning biatch). While in Indian country Ive never topped out. BUT, this beast pulls hard. Ive pulled strong along side many a beefed 350 pickup. Far into a zone (>100mph) that might land me in some civil war era jail before I could blink. They are left in the dust. No mustangs yet...

Some SOB might smoke you with a 405 HP beast, but the interior is nicer than the new Vette. There will always be someone who has something faster, wider, stronger, badder. Just put the lean on and know that the only reason you are being tested is that they are jacking.