G Coupe Loves NY - C&D
#31
Originally Posted by trebien
Also, the true "cost" of something has to do with it's depreciation... if both a G35 and 335i depreciate $10K in 3 years... then they both "cost" the same to the owner. If insurance, fuel and maintenance costs are about the same... then that $10K more "expensive" beemer actually cost you about the same to own for 3 years. And historically, BMWs have high resale values. I doubt it would be different with the 335i.
I cannot speak for the sedan, but the G coupe has a higher resale value than that of the 3-series. The current residual on a 3-year lease for a coupe is 3-4% points higher than that of a 335 coupe (only 1 or 2 higher than a sedan). When my '04 G35 coupe 6mt was totalled after 2 1/4 years of service, I received a check for $32k. Considering I only paid 35k + tax (MSRP 38k), that's pretty high resale. They used KBB for the value. Even the insurance person couldn't believe that the "manual" was worth more than the auto. Of course, that was straight "book value" but 3 year old coupes are still selling for 23-25k , which means they have only lost 12-15k overall in value for those 3 years.
I test drove the 335 6-speed yesterday, and yes, it has lots of torque and never feels weak, but I didn't leave the test drive in awe like many people here (and on the bimmer forums). I was most impressed with the steering - nice, heavy, and extremely accurate. Handling around windy country roads was impressive. Clutch takeup was horrible. Poeple that have complained about the G35's clutch would cry with that of the BMW. LONG travel and it doesn't catch unitl extremely high. I-Drive is by far the most ***-backwards thing in a car. I can't believe that I would actually not get NAV on a car to avoid this thing. The leases are not bad (sedan - 61% residual, 0.00150 money factor), but apples to apples is still about $60-$80 more per month than a G35 Sport.
Anyway, I'll do a full review in another thread when I get a chance.
#32
The G35 coupe's residual is 2% higher after 36 and 48 months. (60 vs 58, and 47 vs 45), the money factor is .00243 & .00245 for the G coupe and .00200 for the 335i coupe. Interestingly, residual values on the G coupe are higher than the G sedan, which is kind of an anomaly in the business, but great for coupe owners. The 335i sedan has better residual (by 4%) and a better mf (.00150 vs .00196).
In the end the cost to the owner is pretty much the same over 3 years, minus the fact that the 335i has free maintenance which should save you a few grand.
In the end the cost to the owner is pretty much the same over 3 years, minus the fact that the 335i has free maintenance which should save you a few grand.
#33
Originally Posted by picus112
The G35 coupe's residual is 2% higher after 36 and 48 months. (60 vs 58, and 47 vs 45), the money factor is .00243 & .00245 for the G coupe and .00200 for the 335i coupe. Interestingly, residual values on the G coupe are higher than the G sedan, which is kind of an anomaly in the business, but great for coupe owners. The 335i sedan has better residual (by 4%) and a better mf (.00150 vs .00196).
In the end the cost to the owner is pretty much the same over 3 years, minus the fact that the 335i has free maintenance which should save you a few grand.
In the end the cost to the owner is pretty much the same over 3 years, minus the fact that the 335i has free maintenance which should save you a few grand.
Perhaps if you are buying, but I've worked out the leases and the G is still cheaper by the margin I listed. The G's money factor is higher, but it also is a cheaper (less expensive) car. Either way, it's not enough of a difference to stop me from getting either car. It will be one consideration but not a deal-killer.
#38
Originally Posted by asianautica
Going from 260HP to a 280HP in a 3.5L is going from a 74HP/L to 80HP/L. But going from 306HP to 330-350HP from a 3.5L to a 3.7L is going from 87HP/L to 89-94HP/L. It's really hard to break into the 90HP/L from a N/A engine w/out variable lift. I don't recall any car under $50k that break 90HP/L from a N/A engine w/out variable lift. So, keeping the same HP/L as the current 3.5L, you're looking @ 320-325HP.
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Originally Posted by monkeyboylawyer
My 1985 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE had eithre 130 or 135 HP (too lazy to look it up) from a 1.3 liter engine. Original list price was just over $16k.
#41
[QUOTE=peterbanks]From this months Car & Driver.
Dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn!!!
I was going to go to NY auto show, but if the New G coupe will not appear at the show, I'll have to think again.... phew....
Dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn!!!
I was going to go to NY auto show, but if the New G coupe will not appear at the show, I'll have to think again.... phew....
#42
Originally Posted by monkeyboylawyer
My 1985 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE had eithre 130 or 135 HP (too lazy to look it up) from a 1.3 liter engine. Original list price was just over $16k.
#43
[QUOTE=ksj4340]
Waaaht?
Ummm... read it again
Originally Posted by peterbanks
From this months Car & Driver.
Dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn!!!
I was going to go to NY auto show, but if the New G coupe will not appear at the show, I'll have to think again.... phew....
Dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn!!!
I was going to go to NY auto show, but if the New G coupe will not appear at the show, I'll have to think again.... phew....
Ummm... read it again
#44
Hmm, are you saying that because the article says "pictures" will not be released untill the show... meaning JUST pics and not the actual car?
I'm pretty sure it's being shown at the NYIAS. I've read that in many other articles that have been posted in this section as well. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm pretty sure it's being shown at the NYIAS. I've read that in many other articles that have been posted in this section as well. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
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