New 530 hp TT Super G
04-17-2012 | 12:31 PM
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Hell I don't know. I'm still eagerly awaiting it. And I'm not going to get caught up in the China/no China production issue because I know they won't build them there for this market.
04-17-2012 | 06:13 PM
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More info.
Infiniti working on 530-HP twin-turbo IPL model for G
Infiniti working on 530-HP twin-turbo IPL model for G
One of those is the introduction of an IPL-specific 3.7-liter V6. The source claims the engine is all-new and features direct-injection and two turbos to help it produce a whopping 530 horsepower. This time, it seems Infiniti has its heart set on stepping up to the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG and BMW M3. The engine will be built in Japan alongside the powerplant for the Nissan GT-R.
Now for the bad news. The shadowy source says the high-performance IPL will be priced in line with the GT-R, at least in Japan. On this side of the globe, the brawny Nissan commands a price well north of the $58,930 MSRP on the C63 AMG, which leads us to believe there's still some pricing to be sorted out on that front.
Now for the bad news. The shadowy source says the high-performance IPL will be priced in line with the GT-R, at least in Japan. On this side of the globe, the brawny Nissan commands a price well north of the $58,930 MSRP on the C63 AMG, which leads us to believe there's still some pricing to be sorted out on that front.
04-17-2012 | 11:30 PM
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As someone who works on branding, i understand your points and feel much of the same way. It's a very fine line they walk these days in that regard.
Sadly, it's not the biggest thing in the equation. Other than old school enthusiasts, most of America do not care for where their vehicles are coming from. Value and reliability are the two major driving factors. Good examples of this are Toyota and Hyundai. Nearly every Toyota sold in the US nowadays have been built here, and Hyundai is as Korean as car manufacturers can get. Both are selling quite nicely.
The same goes for Nissan, where the Altima is their bread and butter, and it's built right here.
And for the majority of buyers out there, Infiniti and Acura still do not hold the same degree of luxury and recognition as the old players like BMW, MB and the lot. As mentioned earlier, there really is no heritage for Infiniti at the moment. And in the end, once they get to that point, i do not think it'll be based on where they're made, but rather their positioning in the market -- reliability, value and performance in the price segment they're competing at.
Moving their HQ elsewhere may at first look like it's about profit, but it also about how they can add 20% more value to customers without having to increase the price the same amount. The way the Yen is performing, it's only a matter of time before they'll have to tighten belts and end up making the same mistake a lot of manufacturers have made in the past, the complete opposite of the above where they start adding % to the price of vehicles while cutting down on materials or features.
Sadly, it's not the biggest thing in the equation. Other than old school enthusiasts, most of America do not care for where their vehicles are coming from. Value and reliability are the two major driving factors. Good examples of this are Toyota and Hyundai. Nearly every Toyota sold in the US nowadays have been built here, and Hyundai is as Korean as car manufacturers can get. Both are selling quite nicely.
The same goes for Nissan, where the Altima is their bread and butter, and it's built right here.
And for the majority of buyers out there, Infiniti and Acura still do not hold the same degree of luxury and recognition as the old players like BMW, MB and the lot. As mentioned earlier, there really is no heritage for Infiniti at the moment. And in the end, once they get to that point, i do not think it'll be based on where they're made, but rather their positioning in the market -- reliability, value and performance in the price segment they're competing at.
Moving their HQ elsewhere may at first look like it's about profit, but it also about how they can add 20% more value to customers without having to increase the price the same amount. The way the Yen is performing, it's only a matter of time before they'll have to tighten belts and end up making the same mistake a lot of manufacturers have made in the past, the complete opposite of the above where they start adding % to the price of vehicles while cutting down on materials or features.
04-18-2012 | 05:41 PM
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04-19-2012 | 02:57 AM
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04-20-2012 | 03:14 PM
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If any of the info is true then the cross-shopping of M/AMG/F-Sport and now IPL will be kind of off. If the power 530hp+ and price of above 100k or comparative to the GTR then it is actually out of the M/AMG/F-Sport league in power and price. I think everyone was expecting a 450hp IPL for about 60-70k, not a 550hp IPL for 100k+.
Loaded M3 about 73k 414hp
Loaded C63 about 75k 451hp
Loaded ISF about 68k 416hp
New IPL 550hp 100k+
If true it would be a beast but then you are cross shopping a whole different segment of performance cars above the M/AMG/F-Sport. Kind of a huge step for Infiniti bypassing those divisions all together. As others have mentioned it will also be indirectly competing with the GTR, but only in the way people may cross shop a 370z and G37 I suppose.
I wonder how the Infiniti Essence concept would fit into all of this as well? I thought the Essence was supposed to be the same power/price, maybe this 530hp+ 100k car will be the essence and the IPL will be a 450hp, 60-70k car (or maybe they will not even make a car in this segment at all). Will be interesting to see what unfolds in the next few years.
Loaded M3 about 73k 414hp
Loaded C63 about 75k 451hp
Loaded ISF about 68k 416hp
New IPL 550hp 100k+
If true it would be a beast but then you are cross shopping a whole different segment of performance cars above the M/AMG/F-Sport. Kind of a huge step for Infiniti bypassing those divisions all together. As others have mentioned it will also be indirectly competing with the GTR, but only in the way people may cross shop a 370z and G37 I suppose.
I wonder how the Infiniti Essence concept would fit into all of this as well? I thought the Essence was supposed to be the same power/price, maybe this 530hp+ 100k car will be the essence and the IPL will be a 450hp, 60-70k car (or maybe they will not even make a car in this segment at all). Will be interesting to see what unfolds in the next few years.
04-21-2012 | 04:43 AM
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If any of the info is true then the cross-shopping of M/AMG/F-Sport and now IPL will be kind of off. If the power 530hp+ and price of above 100k or comparative to the GTR then it is actually out of the M/AMG/F-Sport league in power and price. I think everyone was expecting a 450hp IPL for about 60-70k, not a 550hp IPL for 100k+.
Loaded M3 about 73k 414hp
Loaded C63 about 75k 451hp
Loaded ISF about 68k 416hp
New IPL 550hp 100k+
If true it would be a beast but then you are cross shopping a whole different segment of performance cars above the M/AMG/F-Sport. Kind of a huge step for Infiniti bypassing those divisions all together. As others have mentioned it will also be indirectly competing with the GTR, but only in the way people may cross shop a 370z and G37 I suppose.
I wonder how the Infiniti Essence concept would fit into all of this as well? I thought the Essence was supposed to be the same power/price, maybe this 530hp+ 100k car will be the essence and the IPL will be a 450hp, 60-70k car (or maybe they will not even make a car in this segment at all). Will be interesting to see what unfolds in the next few years.
Loaded M3 about 73k 414hp
Loaded C63 about 75k 451hp
Loaded ISF about 68k 416hp
New IPL 550hp 100k+
If true it would be a beast but then you are cross shopping a whole different segment of performance cars above the M/AMG/F-Sport. Kind of a huge step for Infiniti bypassing those divisions all together. As others have mentioned it will also be indirectly competing with the GTR, but only in the way people may cross shop a 370z and G37 I suppose.
I wonder how the Infiniti Essence concept would fit into all of this as well? I thought the Essence was supposed to be the same power/price, maybe this 530hp+ 100k car will be the essence and the IPL will be a 450hp, 60-70k car (or maybe they will not even make a car in this segment at all). Will be interesting to see what unfolds in the next few years.
04-21-2012 | 04:53 PM
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Ok after rereading then that price range does make sense. Interestingly though if this is again true then the IPL would blow the M3/AMG 's away for less with a 100hp advantage? Again I wonder where this puts the essence then, at 650hp and costing 120k? In a reverse way if this is 78k US dollars vs the GTR 98k but same power and more luxurious it is also odd. I am excited though I any true Performance competitor Infiniti can produce!
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04-22-2012 | 03:01 AM
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Ok after rereading then that price range does make sense. Interestingly though if this is again true then the IPL would blow the M3/AMG 's away for less with a 100hp advantage? Again I wonder where this puts the essence then, at 650hp and costing 120k? In a reverse way if this is 78k US dollars vs the GTR 98k but same power and more luxurious it is also odd. I am excited though I any true Performance competitor Infiniti can produce!
04-23-2012 | 04:52 PM
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got me thinkin...
Finally! An M3 competitor from our G! Just wondering though...engine swap when that engine comes out or TT this G to give an old car new life as the secondary vehicle in the future...hmmmmmmm...
...any thoughts?????
...any thoughts?????