I drove a C6 Corvette for 7 years rowing gears so I understand. However, there are many other variables to consider when driving a performance car other than if it is a MT or not. That is why I didn't care if a AT came up when I bought my G. However, If that is the only reason you would buy a sports car and your going to categorize cars with DCT or AT as inferior (which he was doing ) and categorize drivers with AT as "non enthusiasts" (which he was doing)... yes I would categorize that as dumb.

Also, those that pass on the Mustang GT350 are equally as dumb if their primary variable for purchasing is that it does not offer AT....

 

Man that is one nice S2000!

 

He actually made a good point, maybe it went over your head...

 

he's a moron, waste of breath, Lego.



Yes people who like to row their own gears, are often referred to as true enthusiasts, you're exactly right, TO ME any car with a DCT or AT is inferior, and again TO ME, so if you got a problem with that, then cry me a river. Yes I choose my car based on which models come stick, then I go from there. it's a different story if you can have a few cars, one a fun everyday 6mt car and then another just pure performance track or 1/4 mile oriented car with DCT or AT otherwise I'm all about 6MT if two or more cars don't come into play.

 

The way I see it, the term "enthusiast" is subjective in the same way that "fun" is. What traits define a vehicle as an "enthusiasts" vehicle? Is it the chassis, motor, transmission, drive-train, style, power output, or region (America/Europe/Asia)? There seems to be vastly different views as to what some deem enthusiast. I'm sure that there are many who would laugh at anyone calling a sedan, AT or MT, an enthusiasts car regardless of what you've done to it. To them it's simply a quick family car.

In some cases, a particular vehicle can check all of the agreed upon boxes and still be completely disregarded (NSX), because it doesn't come from a particular pedigree.

For me, the G sedan is in no way an enthusiasts car. The coupe, yes, but the sedan, sadly no. However, that's my opinion and why I see this argument as moot.

Funny thing, I went to a Mazda meet when I had my Speed3, and there was a large Miata attendance. While walking through and talking with most of the people there, they would ask me - "which one is yours?". I'd point to my Speed3, and almost always the response was - "yeah, that's a nice hatchback!". Even though my Speed3 would blow the doors off of most of them, was manual, and had a turbo, they simply did not consider it to be on the same level. All they saw was a 4-door, FWD hatchback! It was even worse when I'd attend the Muscle, Porsche, and Italian car shows.

 

LOL, a 4-door driving "enthusiast". just kidding ...

people who care too much about what cars other people buy either:
a) have way too much time on their hands
2) have small weenur issues

some people's idea of fun is pushing a pedal with their left foot and grabbing a shaft with their right hand. great!

my idea of fun is NOT doing that as i creep through the tunnels into the city during rush hour traffic everyday.

drive what YOU like.

 

Actually, it's not.


Don't get me wrong, if someone gave me a GTR I would definitely take it. However, if spending my own hard earned money the GTR is never even a consideration due to the fact it does not come in manual. It's all about the ultimate driving experience and for me rowing the gears is part of that.That's not to say people who buy the automatic versions of cars don't feel the same way, just different strokes for different folks.

Also, since when is the auto faster? I've never seen a time posted for it that's faster than the manual version. Not that it matters but just wondering.

 

+1

That's the point I was trying to make. To say it's the dumbest thing you ever heard because someone's opinion is different than yours is silly. And that's what this all comes down to, individual preferences and opinion as to what's best for me.

I'd take a GTR if someone gave it to me. And then I'd turn around and sell it

 

Unsubbing from this thread LOL. Only the original post had some nice info in it, the rest is just opinions and banter. Who gives a crap if the AT is faster/slower. I don't care. I would have loved a 6MT but I sold my previous car and I had no transportation, luckily the G fell in my lap. Honestly when I car look the first thing I do is filter on manual. Unfortunately as you all know manuals are maybe 1-3% of the cars out there for sale. I love my G, especially when it's nice out. Shine her up, throw the spawn in the back, windows down, tunes up and just cruise. I can forget about all the other bullsh*t that's out there and just cruise. That's what it's all out. Just enjoying your ride, whether AT or 6MT.




*Drops Mic*

 

(I assume torq was a typo and you meant torque) You are right, but either way you are missing my point that your graph is hypothetical as no dyno will actually measure that much torque at the wheels like you claim.

The other issue is that your thread is "why the AT7 is quicker than the MT6" without actually providing any evidence that the AT7 is actually quicker than the MT6. The thread should have been titled "an overly complicated way to show that the gearing is better on the AT7 to try to make up for additional weight, slower shifting, and drivetrain losses compared to the MT6."

Here is someone else who also noticed that your thread does not provide any evidence that the AT7 is actually faster than the MT6:

Then this thread took a left turn and went down the path of A/T vs. M/T vs. DCT. Some people missed that a DCT is not an A/T transmission as DCT stands for Dual Clutch Transmission. It is an "automated manual" and is used in high performance cars for the fastest shifts possible. The next fastest shifts usually come in manual cars, and then A/T cars.

Then there was the whole discussion of what makes a performance car/fun car and DCT's and A/T's are not as fun to drive. I agree that a manual transmission is more engaging and fun to drive than an A/T or even a DCT, even thought the DCT will shift faster. If you know how to heel and toe downshift and double clutch a manual transmission you would be hard pressed to prefer an A/T (unless it is due to practicality ie. city driving) or a DCT (unless it is due to split second faster shifts on track).

 

Exactly, and I never said I care about what other people buy, like I stated, it's fun TO ME, doesn't have to be for anyone else though Lol

 

+2

Thank you !! Same here if I was given a GTR I'd of course definitely take it and trade in for a 7MT C7 Z06 , but there's no way I'd be buying one with my own hard earned money since it doesn't come manual just like you said, and manual is a huge part of the ultimate driving experience for me as well, afterall it is to each his own.

 

Just to add fuel to the fire


https://www.0-60specs.com/infiniti-g37-0-60-times/

 

If our cars has 240ish foot-lbs at the wheels, do you think that amount of torque would accelerate 3700+ pounds to 60 mph is just over 5 seconds?

On a dyno, torque is measured at engine speed.
Since our wheels don't turn at 7500 RPM gearing is used to reduce the speed of the shafts. When you reduce shaft speed, you increase shaft torque. Shaft torque eventually becomes wheel torque.

Maybe you could explain to me how you think it works. My logic could be wrong.

We do agree on the thread title, it is misleading and I don't give any proof. I fi did, it would have been shot down by some road test showing otherwise.

 

One point: Dyno operators try to use the gear that is closest to 1:1. This eliminates the torque multiplication in the transmission.