GTM Performance Engineering Stage 1 Turn key Supercharger kit In house Install
06-08-2010, 07:53 PM
#61
Why are you taking this personal? You know darn well you want the coolest air available in every aspect of the equation. Hot air in, compression (more hot air), heat soak (more hot air), all of this is not negated by an intercooler. An intercooler is your best way to cool everything down but they all have their limitations. The best way to fight hot air is taking every defense available.
Now let's talk about tuning. Do you tune on the dyno, on the street, at the track? You just said the transmission and oil temps very so much depending on your driving at the time. So that tells me that cooler will sometimes be putting out hot air and sometimes it won't. How do you make an optimal tune for that? My guess is you don't, you just make something that will work.
Why you got to be like that? You know perfectly well that's not true. I ask a perfectly legitimate question about a concern I see and you call me a hater. I also posted this to bring it to your attention since it's your car. That way if you did see it as an issue it could be addressed right away. Not everyone goes around posting hate, some of us are here to learn and help.
Now let's talk about tuning. Do you tune on the dyno, on the street, at the track? You just said the transmission and oil temps very so much depending on your driving at the time. So that tells me that cooler will sometimes be putting out hot air and sometimes it won't. How do you make an optimal tune for that? My guess is you don't, you just make something that will work.
Why you got to be like that? You know perfectly well that's not true. I ask a perfectly legitimate question about a concern I see and you call me a hater. I also posted this to bring it to your attention since it's your car. That way if you did see it as an issue it could be addressed right away. Not everyone goes around posting hate, some of us are here to learn and help.
06-08-2010, 08:05 PM
#62
That's my line! Along with, "So there I was,"... and "the girl that lives with me". Sorry about that, I was a little offended by the hater comment and typed a little too fast.
How close are the intake pipes from the headers? If you are correct and the headers are going to heat up the intake pipes (heat soak) then it would be a great idea to thermal wrap the intake pipes.
06-08-2010, 08:52 PM
#63
IVW you are 100% correct on the headers and they are going to get wrapped. Sam and the tecks said this on the first day they saw my car. I also expect to see less gains from my SC install because of the LTH. They do not seem to have been a good buy. But ya live and learn. And ya is having the intakes beind the tranny cooler the best no. but there is nowhere else to mount it. Will it affect the temp post intercooler. I really doubt it.
06-08-2010, 09:14 PM
#65
I think the long tube headers are a great idea. I don't see anyone benefiting from the LTH without having a lot more air in. The SC's are the only "a lot more air in" which can take advantage of those headers. Otherwise, I just see the long tubes moving up the powerband and maybe at the loss of some torque. This is all my opinion though.
Wrapping the headers is a good idea. I don't know the arrangement but if it's possible, I'd wrap the intake tubes nearest the headers as well. And the best defense against heat from the headers is a good exhaust coating. Are the headers coated?
Wrapping the headers is a good idea. I don't know the arrangement but if it's possible, I'd wrap the intake tubes nearest the headers as well. And the best defense against heat from the headers is a good exhaust coating. Are the headers coated?
06-09-2010, 04:04 AM
#68
Is putting the air filters in back of the transmission cooler is most ideal place? The answer is no, but for all the options that the car have and all the equipment we are adding to it, this is the best set up possible with the least compromise. Also everyone is forgetting where's this car came from, we were more concerned with over cooling the transmission fluid so we ran the cooler in way that the trans fluid temp will get stabilize by the factory trans cooler in the radiator before going back to transmission.
Also the 24x10x2.5 bar and plate intercooler does a great job cooling the air before interning the engine. while back when we were still in the testing faze.. use to run the car without an air filter meaning the Supercharger will be sucking heated air by the exhaust manifold and still at that time AIT (air intake temp) were looking good due the intercooler efficiency so the bottom line, there is no concerns with the set up what so ever . I'm more concerned with the lack of back pressure and the ability to have enough boost to make the Numbers we are shooting for .
Stay tuned
Sam
Also the 24x10x2.5 bar and plate intercooler does a great job cooling the air before interning the engine. while back when we were still in the testing faze.. use to run the car without an air filter meaning the Supercharger will be sucking heated air by the exhaust manifold and still at that time AIT (air intake temp) were looking good due the intercooler efficiency so the bottom line, there is no concerns with the set up what so ever . I'm more concerned with the lack of back pressure and the ability to have enough boost to make the Numbers we are shooting for .
Stay tuned
Sam
06-09-2010, 02:40 PM
#72
Is putting the air filters in back of the transmission cooler is most ideal place? The answer is no, but for all the options that the car have and all the equipment we are adding to it, this is the best set up possible with the least compromise. Also everyone is forgetting where's this car came from, we were more concerned with over cooling the transmission fluid so we ran the cooler in way that the trans fluid temp will get stabilize by the factory trans cooler in the radiator before going back to transmission.
Also the 24x10x2.5 bar and plate intercooler does a great job cooling the air before interning the engine. while back when we were still in the testing faze.. use to run the car without an air filter meaning the Supercharger will be sucking heated air by the exhaust manifold and still at that time AIT (air intake temp) were looking good due the intercooler efficiency so the bottom line, there is no concerns with the set up what so ever . I'm more concerned with the lack of back pressure and the ability to have enough boost to make the Numbers we are shooting for .
Stay tuned
Sam
Also the 24x10x2.5 bar and plate intercooler does a great job cooling the air before interning the engine. while back when we were still in the testing faze.. use to run the car without an air filter meaning the Supercharger will be sucking heated air by the exhaust manifold and still at that time AIT (air intake temp) were looking good due the intercooler efficiency so the bottom line, there is no concerns with the set up what so ever . I'm more concerned with the lack of back pressure and the ability to have enough boost to make the Numbers we are shooting for .
Stay tuned
Sam
See? Just like I said....
06-09-2010, 03:02 PM
#73
That's all I wanted to hear, that others recognize it's not the best way of doing it. Whether it has an effect or not has yet to be proven though. You can't tell me the intercooler is 100% efficient. Well you can, but I'm not going to believe you.
Are the headers coated?
Are the headers coated?
06-09-2010, 03:27 PM
#74
That's all I wanted to hear, that others recognize it's not the best way of doing it. Whether it has an effect or not has yet to be proven though. You can't tell me the intercooler is 100% efficient. Well you can, but I'm not going to believe you.
Are the headers coated?
Are the headers coated?
Just trying to make sure I understand what your contention is.
06-09-2010, 05:37 PM
#75
No. The air temperature entering at the OEM location has nothing to do with my concerns.
In theory, you want the freshest, coldest air available to the intakes. Behind a heat exchanger is not the "coldest air available." They are limited by space and design and decided the current configuration was their best option. I can see that. They also believe performance is not going to be effected by the placement. They modify cars for a living while I turn valves so it's most likely they are correct on this.
In theory, you want the freshest, coldest air available to the intakes. Behind a heat exchanger is not the "coldest air available." They are limited by space and design and decided the current configuration was their best option. I can see that. They also believe performance is not going to be effected by the placement. They modify cars for a living while I turn valves so it's most likely they are correct on this.