D or DS
04-21-2010, 03:48 PM
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If you really want to not waste gas, then use Snow Mode. It replicates a "normal" car auto transmission shifting pattern and throttle response.
D is equivalent to a sporty mode in most cars.
DS is aggressive--too much so for any kind of normal driving as mentioned above.
I agree that either D (with or without Snow Mode) or manual is the way to go. DS is a bit silly and can't really anticipate the conditions you are driving in (hills, corners, traffic, etc.) so therefore cannot be in the right gear at the right time.
D is equivalent to a sporty mode in most cars.
DS is aggressive--too much so for any kind of normal driving as mentioned above.
I agree that either D (with or without Snow Mode) or manual is the way to go. DS is a bit silly and can't really anticipate the conditions you are driving in (hills, corners, traffic, etc.) so therefore cannot be in the right gear at the right time.
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04-21-2010, 04:22 PM
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D = rpms too low. DS = rpms too high. Choose your poison. I use DS when taking turns and want to be "in gear" rather than floating around in 7th. If you want to canyon carve, manual mode is the way to go. Regular driving 99% of the time I think D is just fine.
04-22-2010, 07:56 AM
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04-22-2010, 09:44 AM
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I try to keep it in D but it upshifts so early/quickly in each gear that I'm constantly "caught out" of gear when trying to move quickly. Like changing lanes in traffic or merging onto a highway. It gets so frustrating, so I end up doing M mode a lot of the time.
DS is pretty good for spirited driving, but keeps the rpms too high for daily driving and sometimes doesn't downshift when approaching a turn. So once again, I'll usually end up going to manual mode. I don't have the S package, so I don't have the option of having it in D, then automatically going into M via the paddles. I have to go to DS first.
DS is pretty good for spirited driving, but keeps the rpms too high for daily driving and sometimes doesn't downshift when approaching a turn. So once again, I'll usually end up going to manual mode. I don't have the S package, so I don't have the option of having it in D, then automatically going into M via the paddles. I have to go to DS first.
04-22-2010, 11:09 AM
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I try to keep it in D but it upshifts so early/quickly in each gear that I'm constantly "caught out" of gear when trying to move quickly. Like changing lanes in traffic or merging onto a highway. It gets so frustrating, so I end up doing M mode a lot of the time.
DS is pretty good for spirited driving, but keeps the rpms too high for daily driving and sometimes doesn't downshift when approaching a turn. So once again, I'll usually end up going to manual mode. I don't have the S package, so I don't have the option of having it in D, then automatically going into M via the paddles. I have to go to DS first.
DS is pretty good for spirited driving, but keeps the rpms too high for daily driving and sometimes doesn't downshift when approaching a turn. So once again, I'll usually end up going to manual mode. I don't have the S package, so I don't have the option of having it in D, then automatically going into M via the paddles. I have to go to DS first.
04-22-2010, 12:21 PM
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DS will converge with D over time if you drive non-spirited. This is due to the "learning" nature of the ECU.
My advice is if you're just driving normally through traffic, use D. If you're wanting to drive spirited, kick it into DS, but when your satisfied, switch back to D. This way, the ECU doesn't learn based on you taking turns at 15MPH after you're done.
I never use DS anymore, either D or MM.
My advice is if you're just driving normally through traffic, use D. If you're wanting to drive spirited, kick it into DS, but when your satisfied, switch back to D. This way, the ECU doesn't learn based on you taking turns at 15MPH after you're done.
I never use DS anymore, either D or MM.
04-22-2010, 12:27 PM
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DS will converge with D over time if you drive non-spirited. This is due to the "learning" nature of the ECU.
My advice is if you're just driving normally through traffic, use D. If you're wanting to drive spirited, kick it into DS, but when your satisfied, switch back to D. This way, the ECU doesn't learn based on you taking turns at 15MPH after you're done.
I never use DS anymore, either D or MM.
My advice is if you're just driving normally through traffic, use D. If you're wanting to drive spirited, kick it into DS, but when your satisfied, switch back to D. This way, the ECU doesn't learn based on you taking turns at 15MPH after you're done.
I never use DS anymore, either D or MM.
Wouldn't the D/DS also converge over time if I was driving "spirited"?
I don't understand not using DS anymore, it just retards shifting and allows me to use the upper band of the rpm more. Maybe because you're driving non-spirited now? Not doubting you, just want to learn more.
04-22-2010, 02:54 PM
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The way I see it, the only benefit from DS is the perfect shifting (especially in first), otherwise it's just a waste, get used to driving in M mode, I think it's the best since YOU get to control at what rpm to shift.. Only wish the paddles were a bit more responsive
04-22-2010, 03:17 PM
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This is fascinating tell me more about this learning ECU.
Wouldn't the D/DS also converge over time if I was driving "spirited"?
I don't understand not using DS anymore, it just retards shifting and allows me to use the upper band of the rpm more. Maybe because you're driving non-spirited now? Not doubting you, just want to learn more.
Wouldn't the D/DS also converge over time if I was driving "spirited"?
I don't understand not using DS anymore, it just retards shifting and allows me to use the upper band of the rpm more. Maybe because you're driving non-spirited now? Not doubting you, just want to learn more.
THis whole learnign this is a bunch of BS. Most cars today "learn" or adjust to your driving. My car drives the same whether I baby it for weeks or beat on it constantly. I see no perceptable difference. Its people brains that are "learning".
04-22-2010, 03:21 PM
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Obviously, YMMV.
04-22-2010, 08:43 PM
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