MY 1st Oil Change with Ester OIL
11-13-2009, 12:30 AM
#46
Hey Black Betty, I type in that format for a
couple of reasons.
- I do alot of technical writing, and shorter
columns of words can be read faster by most
readers.
- This format keeps Brad from loosing his
place more than twice per line
- It makes me laugh everytime Brad complains
and insults me because he thinks my posts are
long. (he hasn't figured out that they just look
longer due to the format I use)
Hey Brad....If your attention span has lasted
to this point...Happy belated Veterans Day
and thanks for your service and sacrifices
for our Nation and it's great people. I know
what it's like, it's not always fun or rewarding
but someone has to do it, so carry-on and
always take care of the young guys. Godspeed.
couple of reasons.
- I do alot of technical writing, and shorter
columns of words can be read faster by most
readers.
- This format keeps Brad from loosing his
place more than twice per line
- It makes me laugh everytime Brad complains
and insults me because he thinks my posts are
long. (he hasn't figured out that they just look
longer due to the format I use)
Hey Brad....If your attention span has lasted
to this point...Happy belated Veterans Day
and thanks for your service and sacrifices
for our Nation and it's great people. I know
what it's like, it's not always fun or rewarding
but someone has to do it, so carry-on and
always take care of the young guys. Godspeed.
At least BB thought it was funny, lol
Dude, you really need to work on your sense of humor and lighten the f'ck up, seriously. I give you **** because all your posts put off the vibe of "I know more than all of you and you will bow down to my posts!" Do you really need to include the excessive amount of detail in all your posts? Adding the extreme amount of details and info to all your posts isn't going to sell your opinion any more than a 2-3 sentence post would. I also give you **** because it's entertaining to see your long azz replies in robot format
And happy belated Veteran's Day to you, have some beers for those of us that are deployed. Taking care of your people is the most important thing.
11-13-2009, 09:11 PM
#47
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, you really need to work on your sense of humor and lighten the f'ck up, seriously. I give you **** because all your posts put off the vibe of "I know more than all of you and you will bow down to my posts!" Do you really need to include the excessive amount of detail in all your posts? Adding the extreme amount of details and info to all your posts isn't going to sell your opinion any more than a 2-3 sentence post would. I also give you **** because it's entertaining to see your long azz replies in robot format
Brad. I thought your robot comment was hilarious.....it was as it you could see
me sitting here multi-tasking with my three screens and two keyboards....it was
great.
Your other comments are BS...everyone here knows you were calling me names
and insisting that the information I was quoting and providing was wrong and
everytime I addressed your incorrect and inferrences that I was lying
you still would not admit that you were wrong or stop your juvinile projection
towards me rather than contributing to the thread. Remember these?...
- your claim that the word "ester" was not anywhere in the owners manual and
that I was not telling the truth? You were wrong.
- your claim that Nissan did not recommend use of their oil in the VQ37
and that I was wrong in saying that? You were wrong again
- Your insistence that Nissan Ester was not the factory fill in the
VQ37 built after mid-model year 08 and that what I was saying was
not true? You were wrong again.
- Your insistence that the VQ37 throttle was actuated by a butterfly valve
in the intake and not by the opening of the intake valves? ....and that I didn't
know what I was talking about? You were wrong.
- Your claim that Nissan Ester was a marketing scam by Nissan and it is just the
same as other oils.....then I quoted the Nissan White paper and patent application
citing the carbon nano-particle function and friction reduction study???? you
were wrong.
- Your claim that the VVEL parts in the VQ37 were the same as the variable
valve system parts in the VQ35????? and again, you insisted rudely with insults
that I didn't know what I was talking about????remember that? Again you
were wrong.
Now you conveniently forget all that and want to give me constructive critism
about the length , style, and number of details in my posts. ....and you
say I entertain you and don't have a sense of humor? Honestly, I'd bet
others are laughing at you as much as I am.......after all, wouldn't you be?
Brad. I thought your robot comment was hilarious.....it was as it you could see
me sitting here multi-tasking with my three screens and two keyboards....it was
great.
Your other comments are BS...everyone here knows you were calling me names
and insisting that the information I was quoting and providing was wrong and
everytime I addressed your incorrect and inferrences that I was lying
you still would not admit that you were wrong or stop your juvinile projection
towards me rather than contributing to the thread. Remember these?...
- your claim that the word "ester" was not anywhere in the owners manual and
that I was not telling the truth? You were wrong.
- your claim that Nissan did not recommend use of their oil in the VQ37
and that I was wrong in saying that? You were wrong again
- Your insistence that Nissan Ester was not the factory fill in the
VQ37 built after mid-model year 08 and that what I was saying was
not true? You were wrong again.
- Your insistence that the VQ37 throttle was actuated by a butterfly valve
in the intake and not by the opening of the intake valves? ....and that I didn't
know what I was talking about? You were wrong.
- Your claim that Nissan Ester was a marketing scam by Nissan and it is just the
same as other oils.....then I quoted the Nissan White paper and patent application
citing the carbon nano-particle function and friction reduction study???? you
were wrong.
- Your claim that the VVEL parts in the VQ37 were the same as the variable
valve system parts in the VQ35????? and again, you insisted rudely with insults
that I didn't know what I was talking about????remember that? Again you
were wrong.
Now you conveniently forget all that and want to give me constructive critism
about the length , style, and number of details in my posts. ....and you
say I entertain you and don't have a sense of humor? Honestly, I'd bet
others are laughing at you as much as I am.......after all, wouldn't you be?
mee too.
02-10-2010, 01:00 PM
#52
so from what im reading, ester oils will help alleviate heat issues and possibly prevent limp mode? granted, its no substitute for a proper oil cooler, but i take it the ester oil will be that much better than non-ester oils.
so ester oils have a higher maximum operating temperature and wont break down as quickly, but it wont prevent the car from going into limp mode. or, ester oils have higher thermal capacity than non-ester oils and thus will rise in temperature slower, allowing more time before limp mode hits. which one is more true?
so ester oils have a higher maximum operating temperature and wont break down as quickly, but it wont prevent the car from going into limp mode. or, ester oils have higher thermal capacity than non-ester oils and thus will rise in temperature slower, allowing more time before limp mode hits. which one is more true?
02-23-2010, 08:27 PM
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02-23-2010, 11:35 PM
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I have a 2009, the manual reads on page MA-10, Footnote: "*2: NISSAN recommends Genuine NISSAN Ester Engine Oil available an INFINITI dealer." I believe it is to complement the Nissan hydrogen free DLC coating for reduced friction etc.
Before the flames hit me, my authorized dealer uses dino oil. :-) I may switch, still listening and researching.
Before the flames hit me, my authorized dealer uses dino oil. :-) I may switch, still listening and researching.
03-03-2010, 10:19 PM
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So many people give so much credit to this oil. I really think it's undeserved (my opinion obviously). Combined with a computer fix, this was Nissan's easy answer to valvetrain noise that may have been an extraordinarily expensive recall or TSB at the least.
At the end of the day it's still a groupII petroleum based oil with ester additives. From everything I've seen on BITOG and Nissan corporate inquires it's not a PAO or even a groupIII blended synthetic. It's just a plain ole jane base petroleum with additives. This being the case Nissan naming it "Nissan Esther Oil" is JUST A NAME, a catchy marketing ploy so people compare it to the true group V ester oils that really do cost $12-$15/quart. I guess that's why Nissan charges the same price for it at the dealer. Is it really worthwhile...I would seriously doubt that.
My own Infiniti dealer, despite the "Nissan Ester" being the factory fill on my G37x, uses the standard GTX as their dealership oil change oil. When I asked about this they said they only use the Ester on the G37S models. I asked more more explanation as to why but I really think they just don't know.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong as my quick internet searches didn't provide any quick results, but from the best I can tell the G37S engine has all the same parts and parameters as the base G37. The S has different brakes, seats, suspension, shift paddles etc, but I couldn't find anything that said the S has different cams or intake manifold specifications that would justify my dealer's comment to me. If that's true it goes to show even further that dealers even after a year and a half of this oil being available really don't konw what the heck it is, or what it's for and I don't think all of us should swoon over it for all the reasons stated here...
My humble opinion of course!!
At the end of the day it's still a groupII petroleum based oil with ester additives. From everything I've seen on BITOG and Nissan corporate inquires it's not a PAO or even a groupIII blended synthetic. It's just a plain ole jane base petroleum with additives. This being the case Nissan naming it "Nissan Esther Oil" is JUST A NAME, a catchy marketing ploy so people compare it to the true group V ester oils that really do cost $12-$15/quart. I guess that's why Nissan charges the same price for it at the dealer. Is it really worthwhile...I would seriously doubt that.
My own Infiniti dealer, despite the "Nissan Ester" being the factory fill on my G37x, uses the standard GTX as their dealership oil change oil. When I asked about this they said they only use the Ester on the G37S models. I asked more more explanation as to why but I really think they just don't know.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong as my quick internet searches didn't provide any quick results, but from the best I can tell the G37S engine has all the same parts and parameters as the base G37. The S has different brakes, seats, suspension, shift paddles etc, but I couldn't find anything that said the S has different cams or intake manifold specifications that would justify my dealer's comment to me. If that's true it goes to show even further that dealers even after a year and a half of this oil being available really don't konw what the heck it is, or what it's for and I don't think all of us should swoon over it for all the reasons stated here...
My humble opinion of course!!
03-04-2010, 12:26 AM
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Who ever said u will feel Ester Oil improve performance is a joke. You want even feel the transition from regular to Ester oil or synthetic.
Just go with Mobile One.
Just go with Mobile One.
03-04-2010, 02:44 PM
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4wheelkillr, GR35R,
This thread is funny as far as some of the opinion and speculation.
4wheelkillr, your opinions are partially correct and I said many of
the same things until I decided to find out the straight poop for
myself. GT35R....you'll be fine with M1 at short interval changes
if you don't mind higher wear numbers than you can get with
many other oils in this engine. You can use is, but if you
study a few UOAs, you probably wouldn't use or recommend it.
That's my opinion, 3750 with that stuff tops.
The answer to a simple question will answer alot of the
BS on this thread and others about the VQ37VHR and oil.
That question for me was: Why is Nissan Ester the
factory fill in the VQ37VHR? Have you ever asked
yourselves that question?
Read the Nissan White Papers on the web, read the articles available on
the Nissan Ester oil, read the technical papers and patent application
on the Nissan Ester, and if that is too much effort, call Nissan technical service
department and talk to an engineeer.
Nissan Ester is the factory fill on the VQ engines...all of them,
every Nissan model that uses a VQ variant.
Nissan developed this oil to raise their "fleet mileage" and
reduce their emissions for the CAFE standards. The nano-
particles suspended in the small but specific blend and
amount of "ester" in this oil also quiets and reduces
friction in the VVEL components. This oil was not
developed as an engine "fix", it was developed to
get Nissan higher mileage on their new car stickers.
It was designed to reduce friction between the
"plasma" coated parts in the VQ engines.
...it really is almost that simple.
Here's some food for thought. In past years, hotroders
and engine builders would upgrade to "roller-rockers"
to get up to 10% friction reduction in the valve train.
Nissan published an over 20% decrease in VVEL
engine valve train friction with the use of their
oil.
GT35R, the improved performance may be a joke to you
but it sure isn't a joke to Nissan and they've published
the numbers to back up their claims.
This thread is funny as far as some of the opinion and speculation.
4wheelkillr, your opinions are partially correct and I said many of
the same things until I decided to find out the straight poop for
myself. GT35R....you'll be fine with M1 at short interval changes
if you don't mind higher wear numbers than you can get with
many other oils in this engine. You can use is, but if you
study a few UOAs, you probably wouldn't use or recommend it.
That's my opinion, 3750 with that stuff tops.
The answer to a simple question will answer alot of the
BS on this thread and others about the VQ37VHR and oil.
That question for me was: Why is Nissan Ester the
factory fill in the VQ37VHR? Have you ever asked
yourselves that question?
Read the Nissan White Papers on the web, read the articles available on
the Nissan Ester oil, read the technical papers and patent application
on the Nissan Ester, and if that is too much effort, call Nissan technical service
department and talk to an engineeer.
Nissan Ester is the factory fill on the VQ engines...all of them,
every Nissan model that uses a VQ variant.
Nissan developed this oil to raise their "fleet mileage" and
reduce their emissions for the CAFE standards. The nano-
particles suspended in the small but specific blend and
amount of "ester" in this oil also quiets and reduces
friction in the VVEL components. This oil was not
developed as an engine "fix", it was developed to
get Nissan higher mileage on their new car stickers.
It was designed to reduce friction between the
"plasma" coated parts in the VQ engines.
...it really is almost that simple.
Here's some food for thought. In past years, hotroders
and engine builders would upgrade to "roller-rockers"
to get up to 10% friction reduction in the valve train.
Nissan published an over 20% decrease in VVEL
engine valve train friction with the use of their
oil.
GT35R, the improved performance may be a joke to you
but it sure isn't a joke to Nissan and they've published
the numbers to back up their claims.
03-04-2010, 04:06 PM
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The answer to a simple question will answer alot of the
BS on this thread and others about the VQ37VHR and oil.
That question for me was: Why is Nissan Ester the
factory fill in the VQ37VHR? Have you ever asked
yourselves that question?
Nissan Ester is the factory fill on the VQ engines...all of them,
every Nissan model that uses a VQ variant.
Nissan developed this oil to raise their "fleet mileage" and
reduce their emissions for the CAFE standards. The nano-
particles suspended in the small but specific blend and
amount of "ester" in this oil also quiets and reduces
friction in the VVEL components. This oil was not
developed as an engine "fix", it was developed to
get Nissan higher mileage on their new car stickers.
It was designed to reduce friction between the
"plasma" coated parts in the VQ engines.
...it really is almost that simple.
Additionally, if the "magic oil" is so important (which we all now agree is the factory fill), and so "necessary" for the new VQ's, then why do so many Nissan dealers, my own included with my post above about them only using in the G37S, still not use it and even have no idea what the hell it is? If it was so much more than just another overpriced Nissan product then why wouldn't every dealer have been told by Nissan to peddle the crap out of this stuff?
There's just so much illogical debate and conjecture out there it's sickening. I've actually already ordered a set of OA kits from blackstone. I'll try my trusty old M1 first, if the results are less than desirable as you've previously stated then I'll try something else. I'm going to try as much as possible for as long as possible to avoid this $12/quart "miracle oil" rip off! Maybe I'll bite the bullet and spend the $60 for the oil and run it through a couple OCI's of about 4,000 miles each and then complete the UOA on it as well as M1 as well as Rotella-T (which is another oil i really like and use in my sportbikes).
