Originally Posted by Ivoidwarranties

Pffffff, try waiting 4 years for a decent supercharger for the Hemi. Sorry, make that 5 years.

Originally Posted by Stillen

Sorry for the delay guys...The guys from Smokin' tire video crew are here do an "About STILLEN" video for their website. Here is the info we are ready to release on the supercharger:

Well, the meeting went very well with the managers and I do have some information to give you guys!!!

We will be using a Vortech supercharger/blower for our kit. We have engineered a new intake manifold, intake tract, intercooler system, and more but the actual blower is a Vortech unit. We can’t say exactly what trim it is just yet because our experience in the past with Vortech has taught us that we might change it during final testing. When we made a kit for the older Maxima’s we actually went through a few different trims on the wheels before coming to a final design. We can confirm that it is a self contained oiling unit so there will be a lot of added benefits.

We will be using a water to air intercooler. With a custom designed intercooler.

There will be no hood change. Everything fits nicely under the hood.

We have engineered a cast aluminum intake manifold which is currently out at the casting houses right now getting prepared for production pieces to be started.

We have a very good relationship with a CARB testing lab that we will be working with in our efforts to achieve CARB certification. In order to achieve CARB certification we must send the test piece to the lab that is a 100% production kit. There can be no differences between the production piece and the kit that goes to CARB. All of our recent kits for the VQ35, VQ40 and VK56 went through CARB testing with no issues, but the testing is extensive and can take awhile.

The kit will come with a warranty.

We have begun production on a number of the pieces such as the mounting bracketry, the cast aluminum intake manifold, intercoolers, and more.

Currently we are working on the tuning and we hope to use a hand held tuner. Hand held tuners are clearly the leading edge of technology and we hope to incorporate that into this kit.

To this point we have invested well over $100,000.00 and more than a year in development. All in an effort to have the best forced induction solution possible. Our VQ35 supercharger kit and our VK56 supercharger kit each took over a year to develop. We spend a lot of time on the CAD drawings, prototyping, test fitting, engineering, tuning, and final drive testing. We refuse to rush any one of these crucial parts of the development process. We are very excited as anyone to bring the new supercharger to market. Our 25 years’ experience in developing new products has taught us that it is more important that it is right than right now.

It is too early to begin discussing group buy and to be honest, I don't know if we will do one. I might be able to get an introductory price but even then, I don't know.

Originally Posted by Ivoidwarranties

See... that's a classy response. I don't know the history behind all this but I can spot a hater after reading his posts. I'd like to see this system progress forward before bashing it all to hell.

Originally Posted by kyle@stillen

First off, please do not take any of my posts as argumentative, I am simply trying to inform and educate. If you disagree with me on any topic I will do my best to answer as quickly as possible.



Not that it is important but I have actually been working at STILLEN for my entire life...My name is Kyle Millen, I am Steve Millen's son.

In terms of the performance of our previous supercharger for the 350Z and G35. You are 100% correct and 100% incorrect. That supercharger kit did everything we asked of it. It was never intended to be the most powerful forced induction solution on the market. We never once made that claim. We set out to produce a supercharger that offered great power across the entire power band, a supercharger kit that came pre-tuned ready to install with warranty and CARB legality. CARB legality and warranty were two of our biggest goals and we achieved both.

If someone wants to achieve a ton of power but they are willing to sacrifice warranty or legality, then there are most definitely other options and we encourage people to go the turbo route. But, for most people, who just want to give their car more power, maintain legality and maintain a warranty, our Stage 2 supercharger fit that bill perfectly.

Again, I do not want to be seen as argumentative though and this is where I will reinforce that you are 100% correct. The supercharger that we used could not push enough air for the people who wanted to push their cars harder or were prepared to build the motor to handle more boost. For those people who wanted more...Yes, turbo's were the best choice.



We actually began working on our supercharger using the red MOMO G37 sport a little over a year ago. Since then we have moved it to our silver and grey G37. For forced induction purposes it doesn't really matter if we use the G or the Z as just about everything will be the same. The only reason we haven't come out with the kit sooner is because the project had to be sidelined for a little while during the preparation of the GT R for the Targa Newfoundland rally. We had a deadline to finish the car before the race so we had to make some sacrifices on the timelines of other projects/products.



Generally I would say that this statement is correct however, the dual throttle body configuration of the VQ37 is complicating a lot of things. With that being said, I have no idea what our kit will cost when it is completed, I imagine it will be less expensive than the TT kits, but the dual throttle body design has required some creative thinking.



This statement could not be more true!!!

Before making any decisions on what form of forced induction you would like to choose you must first consider what your goals are for the car. Do you want to maintain legality? What are your horsepower expectations? Do you plan on upgrading sometime down the line? These are all things that need to be taken into consideration. I have talked with numerous customer's on both sides of the fence. Some people who bought our supercharger for the 350 and G35 and say, "man, I wish I went twin turbo and had a lot more power" and I've talked with twin turbo customer's who have said "you know, the TT is cool but, I've spent a ton of money and now my car's not even legal."

With all that being said...The Vortech supercharger that we are using on the VQ37 engine has a lot more potential than the supercharger that we used for the VQ35 engine. In my opinion, I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised.




I went ahead and double quoted these posts because they are right along the same lines of one another and I just want to clarify.

Intercoolers are the perfect example of "size doesn't matter." When you compare an air to water intercooler with an air to air intercooler you can not look at the intercooler out front of the car and think "Wow, that ones bigger so it must be better." There is a lot that goes into determining the correct size intercooler.

For starters, an air to water intercooler does not require a larger intercooler straight out front because you aren't running a large volume of air through it. An air to water intercooler system works just like the radiator/cooling system. The water/coolant starts in the radiator/heat exchanger out front, cycles through the hoses and into the intercooler which is actually inside the intake tract or inside the intake manifold. The air is blown through the radiator which heats up the water/coolant in the intercooler but cools down the air as it travels past. From there, the water travels back through a return hose to the heat exchanger/radiator at the front of the car, where it is cooled down and returned back to the intake tract.

An air to air intercooler is simpler than that.

The air gets blown through the turbo or supercharger where it is heated due to the compression and temperature of the FI unit then it flows through the intercooler. But, it does not go on the outside of the cooler, This is where you have to imagine that the air in an air to air system is like the water of the air to water system. So the air travels inside the intercooler as it gets cooled by the air on the outside...Then the air goes directly into the motor.

So as you can imagine, with an air to air intercooler system you must have a large intercooler so that you can get a large volume of air to pass through it efficiently and it has to be pretty big because it needs a larger surface area. However, you can go too large and too large of an intercooler can cause a pressure drop. With an air to water intercooler the air is not inside the intercooler system, it just passes through/over it. So just because you have a small heat exchanger mounted out front of the car, doesn't mean that you can't cool just as efficiently as a large front mounted air to air intercooler. If you start pushing too much air then yes, you will need to go to a larger heat exchanger out front in order to give the coolant sufficient time to cool before returning back to the intake/intercooler.

Take for example the Nissan GT R. The factory intercoolers, although quite small, are actually pretty efficient up until about 17 pounds of boost, then you are trying to stuff too much air into too small of system. So you have to go bigger at that point.

I hope that made sense, if I left anyone with more questions or if I confused anyone, please feel free to speak up.


EDIT:

I have a feeling I might have confused some people with my explanation so I'm going to make it as simple as I can imagine.

When you use an air to air intercooler, the air inside the intercooler goes into the engine...So in order to get enough air into the engine, you need a large intercooler so that it can handle a large volume of air.

When you use an air to water intercooler, the air follows a normal intake air path then gets blown over or through, but still outside, the intercooler.

Both methods have their positives and negatives, we prefer the air to water intercooler route for numerous reasons and other people prefer the air to air intercooler route for their reasons.

Originally Posted by G37Sam

I won't be taking sides here but if you're going to walk into a thread and be harsh to a vendor's product AT LEAST provide some supporting info.

Kyle made it clear that his previous products were not intended to put down big numbers. Remember, they also had to be carb legal which imposed a lot of restriction there.

Their G37 SC design looks more promising in the numbers' dept, so let's hold our ponies now and see what comes up

Originally Posted by soolman32

People are always so quick to judge or take sides without knowing all the necessary information. This is exactly why I always appreciate it when vendors chime in.

Kyle_ I read through this thread and don't recall seeing it. Any guesstimation on when your kit will be available for sale?

Originally Posted by Ivoidwarranties

17 posts deleted? That was unnecessary. G37Rider92649 may have been a little passionate in his posts but he had a lot of good information in there.

G37Rider92649, Kyle invited you to come see his facilities (it was in one of the 17 posts that were deleted). I would jump all over that if it is at all possible. I'm here because I like to modify cars. If a major respectable vender invites me over, I'm taking him up on it. I understand "major respectable vender" might be arguable in you mind, and you may be correct. But if nothing else, go there and look over the place for the rest of us and give us your opinion of the organization. I for one want to hear what you have to say.

Originally Posted by SOLISIMO

Holy Crap what did I miss in here? lol

So is Stillen like the Steeda of Mustangs for Nissan? Do you guys get like all the secret computer crap and stuff from nissan?