Don't Use Nissan OEM Oil Filters (Long Post - Lotsa Pics)
#31
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NOT EVERY SINGLE WARRANTY CLAIM requires service records!
I am just stating that there is a possiblity...
I have done a few motor claims (and its usually on higher mileage vehicles) where service records are required... Not alot, but there are some where it is required... Most defilnately for 3rd party warranty company's... they do everything possible to get out of doing a claim and paying the minimum...
If you always bring your car to an INFINTII Dealer, its easy to get since any time your car has a Repair Order written on it at an INFINITI Dealer, the record can be brought up at ANY infiniti dealer...
This is not the same with NISSAN since their computer systems are all indepedant...
Once again... I am just saying that there is a chance of them asking for the RECORDS and I am just stating that purchase of an oil filter and some oil is not a LEGAL BINDING DOCUMENT that the service was performed at a SPECIFIC mileage...
Call INFINITI Consumer Affairs and talk to someone about terms of warranty...
Infiniti Consumer Affairs
P.O. Box 685003
Franklin TN 37068-5003
800.662.6200
8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. Eastern / Central Time / Pacific Time
Monday through Friday
Hopefully you will not have a problem that will require a through investigation by INFINITI / NISSAN... I am just stating that there is a chance they will ask for it and it does happen...
I am just stating that there is a possiblity...
I have done a few motor claims (and its usually on higher mileage vehicles) where service records are required... Not alot, but there are some where it is required... Most defilnately for 3rd party warranty company's... they do everything possible to get out of doing a claim and paying the minimum...
If you always bring your car to an INFINTII Dealer, its easy to get since any time your car has a Repair Order written on it at an INFINITI Dealer, the record can be brought up at ANY infiniti dealer...
This is not the same with NISSAN since their computer systems are all indepedant...
Once again... I am just saying that there is a chance of them asking for the RECORDS and I am just stating that purchase of an oil filter and some oil is not a LEGAL BINDING DOCUMENT that the service was performed at a SPECIFIC mileage...
Call INFINITI Consumer Affairs and talk to someone about terms of warranty...
Infiniti Consumer Affairs
P.O. Box 685003
Franklin TN 37068-5003
800.662.6200
8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. Eastern / Central Time / Pacific Time
Monday through Friday
Hopefully you will not have a problem that will require a through investigation by INFINITI / NISSAN... I am just stating that there is a chance they will ask for it and it does happen...
I don't get the impression that any member of this forum or any Infiniti owner period intends to neglect or do anything harmful to their $40K+ investment. It's just a shame that infiniti intends to make customers with legitimate claims jump through hoops to keep from paying what they owe. But they're no worse than any other company out there doing the same thing to maximize profits. Thanks for telling me where to go to get a definitive answer to my question.
#33
Sorry, but you're misinformed
Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))
Google is your friend. Do some research before you make such ludicrous statements
Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))
Google is your friend. Do some research before you make such ludicrous statements
P.S. Please follow your own advice.
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Actually, Magnuson-Moss says the manufacturer/distributor can not require the use of "their" parts. That is all it says. If you are going to bring suit to require NNA to honor the warranty, you will have to prove the non-Nissan part did not cause or contribute to the failure.
P.S. Please follow your own advice.
P.S. Please follow your own advice.
Additionally, the burden of proof that the aftermarket part did not cause the failure does not fall onto the consumer.
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2. Do you have any support for your second statement?
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Sorry but you are not correct. I spoke with my father about this since we are getting into laws, he is a lawyer and when he started practicing he handled issues for Audi in their hayday of issues, needless to say he has a lot of experience in this area. According to what he stated the burden of proof is not on the dealer or car company. He stated that if you read your contracts and manuals they will have disclaimers stating the use of non factory parts can cause damage to your car and void your warrenty. The reason they do that is by putting that warning the burden of proof now falls off them and onto you. because you changed a part with knowing that the oem company has warned you against it. and saying you didnt read the book is not going to work in court. Just because you dont read the information your given does not make it not your fault. I told him what the talks on here were about regarding the oil filter. and while he stated the samething i have been thinking, chances are you will never hurt your engine with using a non oem filter. If you did say blow a motor due to extreme sludge or any oil related issue. All infiniti will do is say we designed the motor to be used with our oem nissan filter. not the x,y, or z after market one you used. Then you have to show complete proof on why your filter could have had nothing to do with your failure. for instance infiniti can say their oil filter was designed with cardboard end pieces and thats what the motor was designed to be used with but because you used one with metal end pieces that caused your failure.
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2. Nothing except common knowledge. Think about it... Let's say that your transmission blew up, and you wanted it replace under warranty. Would it be your responsibility to prove to NNA that you didn't cause it? Of course not... they would open up your tranny and look for the possible cause of the failure. Hence, it's their burden of proof.
Anyway, we're getting way off tangent here.
I'm done debating with you lawyers. Maybe I'm right, maybe you're right, who cares
In the end, people (including myself) will keep doing what they do, and I'll keep using my non-OEM oil filters
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#38
Wouldn't it make more sense for lawyers to comment on laws?
Thank you for your "legal" advice. I have never heard of such an argument actually working in a M-M arbitration or litigation, and I have "some" personal knowledge of how this actually works.
Well, you raised a point and people called you on it. As it happens, the people who called you on it are both better educated on the subject and more experienced on the subject. Even tho you say "Maybe I'm right", you are most definitely not right on this issue. Like most similar situations, internet rumors do not trump the law or the facts.
If you want to post your opinions, please by all means do so. All we're suggesting is that you distinguish your opinions from facts. It may be difficult to believe, but your opinions may not always be fact.
2. Nothing except common knowledge. Think about it... Let's say that your transmission blew up, and you wanted it replace under warranty. Would it be your responsibility to prove to NNA that you didn't cause it? Of course not... they would open up your tranny and look for the possible cause of the failure. Hence, it's their burden of proof.
Anyway, we're getting way off tangent here.
I'm done debating with you lawyers. Maybe I'm right, maybe you're right, who cares
I'm done debating with you lawyers. Maybe I'm right, maybe you're right, who cares
If you want to post your opinions, please by all means do so. All we're suggesting is that you distinguish your opinions from facts. It may be difficult to believe, but your opinions may not always be fact.
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Wouldn't it make more sense for lawyers to comment on laws?
Thank you for your "legal" advice. I have never heard of such an argument actually working in a M-M arbitration or litigation, and I have "some" personal knowledge of how this actually works.
Well, you raised a point and people called you on it. As it happens, the people who called you on it are both better educated on the subject and more experienced on the subject. Even tho you say "Maybe I'm right", you are most definitely not right on this issue. Like most similar situations, internet rumors do not trump the law or the facts.
If you want to post your opinions, please by all means do so. All we're suggesting is that you distinguish your opinions from facts. It may be difficult to believe, but your opinions may not always be fact.
Thank you for your "legal" advice. I have never heard of such an argument actually working in a M-M arbitration or litigation, and I have "some" personal knowledge of how this actually works.
Well, you raised a point and people called you on it. As it happens, the people who called you on it are both better educated on the subject and more experienced on the subject. Even tho you say "Maybe I'm right", you are most definitely not right on this issue. Like most similar situations, internet rumors do not trump the law or the facts.
If you want to post your opinions, please by all means do so. All we're suggesting is that you distinguish your opinions from facts. It may be difficult to believe, but your opinions may not always be fact.
To each his own, let's leave it at that.
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While, as you suggest, there are others more qualified to comment on the M-M Act, pretty much all of them are in-house counsel for manufacturers/distributors or legislative counsel or SEMA counsel. I could be wrong, but I am going to believe you do not fall into any of those catagories. If I am wrong, I apologize for jumping to conclusions. But, it seems you jumped to the conclusion I am no more qualified than you. I do not think your conclusion is correct.
P.S. Again, you are posting your opinions as fact. I am trying to only post facts.
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^^ +1.
There goes 15 minutes I won't ever get back.
All I got from this thread is that there are better oil filters out there that we better not use, could use but beware, shouldn't but should and can not therefore we should but shouldn't, but could but blah blah....
HAHAHA
There goes 15 minutes I won't ever get back.
All I got from this thread is that there are better oil filters out there that we better not use, could use but beware, shouldn't but should and can not therefore we should but shouldn't, but could but blah blah....
HAHAHA
#44
I've used OEM oil filters on all my vehicles and I will do the same with my G37. I've never had problems with OEM filters, other than they're more expensive. There could be a reason for having cardboard ends in the OEM filters...if those filter end caps did deteriorate, maybe it's better to have pieces of cardboard floating in your oil than metal pieces..??
I enjoyed reading the reviews and it was nice to learn what's inside of them. Thank you.
I enjoyed reading the reviews and it was nice to learn what's inside of them. Thank you.
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I've used OEM oil filters on all my vehicles and I will do the same with my G37. I've never had problems with OEM filters, other than they're more expensive. There could be a reason for having cardboard ends in the OEM filters...if those filter end caps did deteriorate, maybe it's better to have pieces of cardboard floating in your oil than metal pieces..??
I enjoyed reading the reviews and it was nice to learn what's inside of them. Thank you.
I enjoyed reading the reviews and it was nice to learn what's inside of them. Thank you.