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Old 10-07-2009 | 08:26 PM
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Alignment after Eibach springs!!

After aprox. 1000 miles since the springs install, I've went in for a wheel alignment. I was told by the technician that he can not get the camber on the front passenger side to any better than it is right now. He said the strut must be damaged or bent. What should I do?? The warranty at Infiniti dealership should be void? Look at the alignment results and help out plz
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Old 10-08-2009 | 12:42 AM
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First, nothing wrong with asking the dealer and the person that put in your springs. You are in one of those gray areas where the dealer could replace the strut (if a problem) or claim it was done during spring install.

Also, you are not going to get the camber in spec in the front with a drop without aftermarket camber arms. However, assuming that nothing is damaged and the tech doing your alignment knows what he is doing, you may get close enough.

Did he say anything about the rear and why he could not get toe closer to spec? Toe is what will really wear your tires correctly. I can't tell you how close you should be able to get without camber arms front or rear since I have both.

So based on what you posted, I would ask the dealer and/or consider getting someone else to do an alignment and pick someone in your area that you can get a good reference for.
Old 10-08-2009 | 12:58 AM
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First, nothing wrong with asking the dealer and the person that put in your springs. You are in one of those gray areas where the dealer could replace the strut (if a problem) or claim it was done during spring install.

Also, you are not going to get the camber in spec in the front with a drop without aftermarket camber arms. However, assuming that nothing is damaged and the tech doing your alignment knows what he is doing, you may get close enough.

Did he say anything about the rear and why he could not get toe closer to spec? Toe is what will really wear your tires correctly. I can't tell you how close you should be able to get without camber arms front or rear since I have both.

So based on what you posted, I would ask the dealer and/or consider getting someone else to do an alignment and pick someone in your area that you can get a good reference for.
He said everything is good except the front right camber. The rear toe is no good? This place actually have a good reputation. I don't mind going to another place for another alignment but what if I get the same results?
I just realized few minutes ago from driving home, when the car is going in a straight line, the steering wheel tilts a bit to the right. I don't think it was doing that before the alignment was made...
Old 10-08-2009 | 01:30 PM
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I suggest adding both front and rear camber kits.
Old 10-08-2009 | 02:05 PM
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The specs for alignment is in the FSM and my copy is at home. I will post later tonight if you don't have the FSM as I cannot find them via search.

However, I am about 99.99% sure you are out of spec in at least the right rear on toe. And you are out of spec on some of the other numbers as well.

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He said everything is good except the front right camber. The rear toe is no good? This place actually have a good reputation. I don't mind going to another place for another alignment but what if I get the same results?
I just realized few minutes ago from driving home, when the car is going in a straight line, the steering wheel tilts a bit to the right. I don't think it was doing that before the alignment was made...

I agree with you if he wants to run anywhere near nominal.

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I suggest adding both front and rear camber kits.
Old 10-09-2009 | 12:29 AM
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Alignment Specs

Here is the page out of the FSM with the specs. I was wrong on right rear toe. You are just inside the spec. You are out on camber front and rear, but not by much except for right front. Let us know what happens.
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Old 10-09-2009 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by HamstersG
Here is the page out of the FSM with the specs. I was wrong on right rear toe. You are just inside the spec. You are out on camber front and rear, but not by much except for right front. Let us know what happens.
I will, thanks!
Old 10-09-2009 | 08:39 AM
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Purchase a camber kit
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So the tech said he can not tell wheather is the arm or the strut that is bent. He said it could be both and recommends replacing both. He said he made a little adjustment to the front to fix the steering tilting to the right. I don't know what adjustments he have made though. I'll drive home from work later to test it.

I wouldn't mind purchasing the camber kits but the problem right now is to find out if anything is damaged or not. I'll make an appointment with my local Infiniti dealer, but I've been told I should not waste my time and money on them. Most likely they will make me pay for any labor cost due to the aftermarket springs I've put on the car. What should I tell the dealership? Tell them that I've had someone to do an alignment but failed? Or just tell them I need an alignment without telling them the history of the car?
Old 10-09-2009 | 05:56 PM
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Bottom line is that you have to figure out what if anything is "bent" before moving forward. Tell the dealer that the person that aligned your car, said something was bent and they could not get the camber adjusted correctly. And that you want their opinion. Go from there. Some dealers are better than others regarding mods. Mine seems to care less. No harm in asking. They could charge you 30 min to an hour of labor to inspect. Got any local suspension-skilled friends you can ask?


Originally Posted by GordoNx3o9
So the tech said he can not tell wheather is the arm or the strut that is bent. He said it could be both and recommends replacing both. He said he made a little adjustment to the front to fix the steering tilting to the right. I don't know what adjustments he have made though. I'll drive home from work later to test it.

I wouldn't mind purchasing the camber kits but the problem right now is to find out if anything is damaged or not. I'll make an appointment with my local Infiniti dealer, but I've been told I should not waste my time and money on them. Most likely they will make me pay for any labor cost due to the aftermarket springs I've put on the car. What should I tell the dealership? Tell them that I've had someone to do an alignment but failed? Or just tell them I need an alignment without telling them the history of the car?
Old 10-16-2009 | 11:52 AM
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This begs the question..even though I have heard the prokit really dosnt need a camber kit.. is it just worth it to go ahead and get a camber hit done at the same time as you get the springs.. instead of getting the springs setup then realizing the camber is not up to par? Which is more cost effective?
Old 10-19-2009 | 04:04 PM
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+1, I would like the question above answered. I've also heard camber kit isn't needed for the Pro kit.
Old 10-19-2009 | 04:41 PM
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Most cost effective depends:

If you are going to add camber kits then either:
  • do springs, camber kit and alignment all at once or
  • do the springs, let them settle couple of weeks....then add camber kit and have alignment done at same time.
If you are fine with the reported negative camber with Eibach drop with no camber kits, then most cost effective is to just drop and align. If you install kits later, you have to realign. Install front and rear at separate times and you have to get an alignment with each.

FAQ with Eibach Prokit....
  1. Can you run without camber kits and not wear out your tires too fast? Yes as long as you have a good alignment especially toe settings.
  2. Can you get the rear within the upper limit spec without a camber kit? Some report yes. Some report no. But all report it is close.
  3. Can you get the front within the upper limit spec without a camber kit? Have not seen anyone that has said yes. No for me.
  4. Can you get the front or the rear camber to the nominal spec without front and rear camber kits. NO!!!!!
So pick your option and go for it.


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This begs the question..even though I have heard the prokit really dosnt need a camber kit.. is it just worth it to go ahead and get a camber hit done at the same time as you get the springs.. instead of getting the springs setup then realizing the camber is not up to par? Which is more cost effective?
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+1, I would like the question above answered. I've also heard camber kit isn't needed for the Pro kit.
Old 11-25-2009 | 05:04 PM
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Well, I just dropped my car off at Brake Masters for alignment. They didn't have the specs on their computer, but fortunately I printed out the spec sheet from an earlier post. I hope they can get it to within reasonable numbers...I'll scan and post my printout later...
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