Oem Non-Navi to Oem Navi swap possible
02-02-2013, 05:30 PM
#46
so i've been going over the wiring diagrams compairing bose audio without nav to bose audio with nav to see the differences. Looks like it'll be a lot of fun tracing everything once all my stuff gets here.
A few questions:
Bose audio without navigation has a separate satellite radio tuner module (the antenna connects to that) while the bose audio with navigation appears to have the satellite radio tuner built in and the antenna connects directly to the av control box, did you end up finding this?
Bose audio without navigation has a separate telephone adapter unit where the microphone connects to it while the bose audio with navigation appears to have the telephone adapter unit built in and the microphone connects directly to the av control box, did you end up finding this?
Out of curiousity when the wiring diagrams reference connect "M208" is this number stamped on the connector or head unit anywhere?
Last but not least i noticed that the nav cars have 2 extra buttons on the steering wheel (ENTER & BACK) did you have to change your steering wheel or were you able to have everything work and just use the Enter and Back buttons that are in front of the screen?
Thanks, just trying to do as much prep work as i can before i get fully into it,
George
A few questions:
Bose audio without navigation has a separate satellite radio tuner module (the antenna connects to that) while the bose audio with navigation appears to have the satellite radio tuner built in and the antenna connects directly to the av control box, did you end up finding this?
Bose audio without navigation has a separate telephone adapter unit where the microphone connects to it while the bose audio with navigation appears to have the telephone adapter unit built in and the microphone connects directly to the av control box, did you end up finding this?
Out of curiousity when the wiring diagrams reference connect "M208" is this number stamped on the connector or head unit anywhere?
Last but not least i noticed that the nav cars have 2 extra buttons on the steering wheel (ENTER & BACK) did you have to change your steering wheel or were you able to have everything work and just use the Enter and Back buttons that are in front of the screen?
Thanks, just trying to do as much prep work as i can before i get fully into it,
George
Last edited by michg37; 02-02-2013 at 05:49 PM.
02-05-2013, 02:34 PM
#47
Well i have just about everything, no gps antenna so i just ordered one of those. One question though, there are 2 connections on the nav unit that i can't figure out what they are for. There is no wiring connectors in my dash wiring that i ordered and the connections do not exist in the wiring schematics.
One is the yellowish/white connector shown the the picture below (the one above the red connector)
The other is the white connector with no writing under it in the bottom right corner of the picture.
any help would be greatly appreciated, i'm hoping they are just not used or are for diagnostics or something
One is the yellowish/white connector shown the the picture below (the one above the red connector)
The other is the white connector with no writing under it in the bottom right corner of the picture.
any help would be greatly appreciated, i'm hoping they are just not used or are for diagnostics or something
02-07-2013, 02:03 PM
#51
02-07-2013, 08:45 PM
#53
No spreadsheet but this is where im at:
Nav+touch screen+nav/radio controls with trim +climate controls with trim= $650
Complete Dash wiring=$170
Gps antenna=$40
Tomorrow im going to begin on the car
Nav+touch screen+nav/radio controls with trim +climate controls with trim= $650
Complete Dash wiring=$170
Gps antenna=$40
Tomorrow im going to begin on the car
02-08-2013, 01:05 PM
#55
here is some info on things i've found out so far....first an answer to my questions that i asked earlier:
Bose audio without navigation has a separate satellite radio tuner module (the antenna connects to that) while the bose audio with navigation appears to have the satellite radio tuner built in and the antenna connects directly to the av control box, did you end up finding this? Yes, had to run an extention cable from the back of the car to the head unit
Bose audio without navigation has a separate telephone adapter unit where the microphone connects to it while the bose audio with navigation appears to have the telephone adapter unit built in and the microphone connects directly to the av control box, did you end up finding this? Yes, had to run an extention cable from the back of the car to the head unit
Out of curiousity when the wiring diagrams reference connect "M208" is this number stamped on the connector or head unit anywhere? No numbers stamped anywhere, i counted the pins and wrote on them with a sharpie
Last but not least i noticed that the nav cars have 2 extra buttons on the steering wheel (ENTER & BACK) did you have to change your steering wheel or were you able to have everything work and just use the Enter and Back buttons that are in front of the screen? don't know yet
i've been taking a lot of pictures, going to take me a few days after i'm done to put together the DYI, though it will not be for novices...and hopefully it all works when i'm done
Bose audio without navigation has a separate satellite radio tuner module (the antenna connects to that) while the bose audio with navigation appears to have the satellite radio tuner built in and the antenna connects directly to the av control box, did you end up finding this? Yes, had to run an extention cable from the back of the car to the head unit
Bose audio without navigation has a separate telephone adapter unit where the microphone connects to it while the bose audio with navigation appears to have the telephone adapter unit built in and the microphone connects directly to the av control box, did you end up finding this? Yes, had to run an extention cable from the back of the car to the head unit
Out of curiousity when the wiring diagrams reference connect "M208" is this number stamped on the connector or head unit anywhere? No numbers stamped anywhere, i counted the pins and wrote on them with a sharpie
Last but not least i noticed that the nav cars have 2 extra buttons on the steering wheel (ENTER & BACK) did you have to change your steering wheel or were you able to have everything work and just use the Enter and Back buttons that are in front of the screen? don't know yet
i've been taking a lot of pictures, going to take me a few days after i'm done to put together the DYI, though it will not be for novices...and hopefully it all works when i'm done
02-08-2013, 04:28 PM
#57
Yes ebay, though i'm splicing the hell out of it. your choice is this
- you can completely dismantal your dash (and i mean completely) so that you can replace the entire dash wiring (even then you'll need to run a microphone cable from the telephone adapter and satellite antenna in the trunk to the new head unit since with the nav systems they are built in and connect directly)
- alternately you can splice the 4 connectors into the existing wiring (i'm tapping into the existing connectors, not removing them so that if this all goes to hell i can swap it back to original non nav). this can get a little crazy because you need to have the schematics of the non navi and navi sitting beside each other so you can see where all the wires go.
A side note, this does not get any easier going even if both are bose, even though the exact same connector is there for both setups for some dumb *** reason they split the wiring up into a secondary connector (M201 & M206) on the non navi systems, i have to recombine them into the 1 connector (M208). M201 and M208 are the exact same connectors except they have the speaker signal wires in M206 on the non navi systems for some reason.
- you can completely dismantal your dash (and i mean completely) so that you can replace the entire dash wiring (even then you'll need to run a microphone cable from the telephone adapter and satellite antenna in the trunk to the new head unit since with the nav systems they are built in and connect directly)
- alternately you can splice the 4 connectors into the existing wiring (i'm tapping into the existing connectors, not removing them so that if this all goes to hell i can swap it back to original non nav). this can get a little crazy because you need to have the schematics of the non navi and navi sitting beside each other so you can see where all the wires go.
A side note, this does not get any easier going even if both are bose, even though the exact same connector is there for both setups for some dumb *** reason they split the wiring up into a secondary connector (M201 & M206) on the non navi systems, i have to recombine them into the 1 connector (M208). M201 and M208 are the exact same connectors except they have the speaker signal wires in M206 on the non navi systems for some reason.
02-10-2013, 10:59 AM
#58
Well all done and EVERYTHING works, this freakin rocks! It is not easy and takes a good 15 hours worth of wire splicing like mystikal said.
Going to start on the DIY later, should be ready in a few days. In terms of difficulty, if you have ever spliced into a cars existing wiring to put in an after market radio, add an amp, etc. you can do this, it'll is just a ton of wires, i think i spliced into about 50 or 60 by the time i was done.
Going to start on the DIY later, should be ready in a few days. In terms of difficulty, if you have ever spliced into a cars existing wiring to put in an after market radio, add an amp, etc. you can do this, it'll is just a ton of wires, i think i spliced into about 50 or 60 by the time i was done.
02-10-2013, 04:08 PM
#59
Well all done and EVERYTHING works, this freakin rocks! It is not easy and takes a good 15 hours worth of wire splicing like mystikal said.
Going to start on the DIY later, should be ready in a few days. In terms of difficulty, if you have ever spliced into a cars existing wiring to put in an after market radio, add an amp, etc. you can do this, it'll is just a ton of wires, i think i spliced into about 50 or 60 by the time i was done.
Going to start on the DIY later, should be ready in a few days. In terms of difficulty, if you have ever spliced into a cars existing wiring to put in an after market radio, add an amp, etc. you can do this, it'll is just a ton of wires, i think i spliced into about 50 or 60 by the time i was done.
